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I made a comment something along those lines once some long time ago.

I don't think X should be allowed if X. My Girlfriend then politelly informed me that if that was the case, she'd be dead right now.

Kinda enlightening, ya know?

Gummiente wrote:Would you offer that same response to someone injured in a car accident because they weren't wearing a seatbelt? Or someone who was injured on a bike because they were wearing a full-face helmet, sandals, shorts and a t-shirt?

Honestly yes, it takes a 1/10th of a second to put on a seatbelt, which in no way hinders your ability to drive the car. If you're to lazy to protect your life in this way, then maybe you shouldn't be blessed with it.

iwannadie wrote:i cant help but say how wrong that is. its sad you think that way and your lucky the medical team that treated you for your accident werent the type of people that think this way towards any motorcycle rider.

they could have seen you come in knowing you were on the bike with injurys and said "he was taking a stupid risk by not being in a car so why should we treat him" but i guess that doesnt matter to you. anything that goes against your beleifs is wrong and therefore noone should do it cause you dont. maybe they dont want to see their money wasted on someone that rides a motorcycle and not a car. maybe a kid riding a bicycle shouldnt be treated when hes in an accident and left to sit in a coma and die cause he had no helmet? or maybe a person crossing the street and hit by a car should be left to die after all if they valued their life they wouldnt cross a dangerous road would they? most certainly to hell with anyone that has a helmet that gets thrown off during the accident obviously they should be refused treatment as well?

hey were you wearing full leathers during your accident, maybe that was a sign to refuse you treatment after all anyone smart enough would value their skin and put on a protective layer of leather right? i mean how can you care about your skin so much and not protect it while riding then expect a hospital to treat you? maybe if you had leathers you wouldnt have torn up knees? but again you didnt think about any of this did you.

I asked not to be treated, however they scrubbed out my legs with iodine, sans painkillers which I also refused in the ambulance (that I was only in because my passenger got hurt) I paid my ambulance bill out of pocket by the way, paying for treatment that I did not recieve. And they bandaged my legs with $10 worth of gauze and padding. I know the risks involved with the sport, I accept them and realize that I should not be wasting tax payers dollars on a head injury, if I'm not willing to follow the law to protect myself.

Kids here are required by law to wear helmets ona bicycle until they reach the age of 18, at which point they are considered to be adults and make their own decisions. However, a child is not able to make a sane and rational decision, that is part of being a child, so it is the responsibility of the parent to protect the child. Or are we going to assume that a child of age 4 can weigh the costs and benefits of not wearing a helmet.

You're attacking me for not wearing my full leathers, but like I said, I refused the majority of treatments even though I ended up paying for them anyways. $240 for a ride to the hospital that involved, are you okay? Do you have a concusion (+tests), do you want painkillers? No, okay, let me know if you do. Then a little iodine and some gauze.

Once again, this is NOT a question of whether or not the person SHOULD be wearing full gear, this is to me a question of whether or not someone should be obeying the law. LIKE I SAID, HERE IN CANADA it is the law that you wear a helmet, it is the law that you wear a seatbelt. If either fail in their intended use, then yes they should be treated.
However! If people refuse to follow the law, if they refuse to protect themselves, I do not want to pay for their stupidity.
I also think that we shouldn't be treating people who are shot while commiting a crime, or people who are injured evading arrest. Laws exist for a reason, to protect us, but it seems that a fair number of us wish to be taken care of after the fact.

The emergency rooms are full of people who have done stupid things. Heart attack victims who eat too many cheese-burgers, people who stood on the top step of a step ladder that was labled "DO NOT STEP", or people who forgot to look up before crossing the street. Many people also see someone who forgoes the safety of riding in a car for riding on a motorcycle as stupid. Lets hope it doesn't come down to someone judging at the emergency room door whether or not tax dollars are being wasted. This is a VERY slippery slope none of us want to embark on.....

I like this statement alot and I totally agree

My tax dollars pay for medical treatments here, and if you choose to do something as stupid as ride helmetless then I hope that you die of whatever injuries you sustain.

First off, someone's life is worth way more than anyone can pay in taxes and to hope for someone to die is just wrong, regardless of how they lived...that's bad karma.

From what I understand iwannadie is just saying that he believes in certain ideas about wearing or not wearing a helmet and that is his right. He can believe anything he wants. I may not totally agree but I am not going to argue with him to try and make him believe what I believe. We are all grown adults here and we are lucky enough to have choices. What ever we decide to choose we have to live or die with the consequences.

Stats can be made to mean anything, if your gonna ride wear the gear, I wouldnt, be seen with someone or ride with some who wasnt, becouse in the past being at a road side looking for parts of my friend was no fun at all, here in Canada helmets are law, and you cant wear a beanie they will take the beanie off you if it isnt a CSA approved helmet, and wont let you ride.
its allso in my oppinion that if you are going to have a accident, and lets face it, it can happen at anytime, allways wear gear, IE leather pants, a decent bkie jacket , gloves and boots, and a helmet. cause you never no if something will hit you uo the arse, or you will hit something, the curb, at thirty clicks will smash you to peices

im not going to keep this going, but where i live helmets are not required by law. even if they were and someone was in an accident i just cant understand the idea of refusing treatment. what was the state in the us that is now flat out refusing to treat ANY motorcycle victime regardless of protection and insurance. thats a bad thing to start refusing people based on a personal judgement call, and any doctor should go against that and treat anyone. but again thats an opinion thats not worth arguing.

im glad when i was in my accident(no helmet) the hospital treated me and the state stepped in and paid my $180,000usd bill because i had no medical insurance that would come near to paying that kind of bill off.

like others said you cant start down this slippery slope. helmet or no helmet its not right to condeme someone to die because they took a risk you consider to be stupid.

Sevulturus wrote:

Gummiente wrote:Would you offer that same response to someone injured in a car accident because they weren't wearing a seatbelt? Or someone who was injured on a bike because they were wearing a full-face helmet, sandals, shorts and a t-shirt?

Honestly yes, it takes a 1/10th of a second to put on a seatbelt, which in no way hinders your ability to drive the car. If you're to lazy to protect your life in this way, then maybe you shouldn't be blessed with it.

iwannadie wrote:i cant help but say how wrong that is. its sad you think that way and your lucky the medical team that treated you for your accident werent the type of people that think this way towards any motorcycle rider.

they could have seen you come in knowing you were on the bike with injurys and said "he was taking a stupid risk by not being in a car so why should we treat him" but i guess that doesnt matter to you. anything that goes against your beleifs is wrong and therefore noone should do it cause you dont. maybe they dont want to see their money wasted on someone that rides a motorcycle and not a car. maybe a kid riding a bicycle shouldnt be treated when hes in an accident and left to sit in a coma and die cause he had no helmet? or maybe a person crossing the street and hit by a car should be left to die after all if they valued their life they wouldnt cross a dangerous road would they? most certainly to hell with anyone that has a helmet that gets thrown off during the accident obviously they should be refused treatment as well?

hey were you wearing full leathers during your accident, maybe that was a sign to refuse you treatment after all anyone smart enough would value their skin and put on a protective layer of leather right? i mean how can you care about your skin so much and not protect it while riding then expect a hospital to treat you? maybe if you had leathers you wouldnt have torn up knees? but again you didnt think about any of this did you.

I asked not to be treated, however they scrubbed out my legs with iodine, sans painkillers which I also refused in the ambulance (that I was only in because my passenger got hurt) I paid my ambulance bill out of pocket by the way, paying for treatment that I did not recieve. And they bandaged my legs with $10 worth of gauze and padding. I know the risks involved with the sport, I accept them and realize that I should not be wasting tax payers dollars on a head injury, if I'm not willing to follow the law to protect myself.

Kids here are required by law to wear helmets ona bicycle until they reach the age of 18, at which point they are considered to be adults and make their own decisions. However, a child is not able to make a sane and rational decision, that is part of being a child, so it is the responsibility of the parent to protect the child. Or are we going to assume that a child of age 4 can weigh the costs and benefits of not wearing a helmet.

You're attacking me for not wearing my full leathers, but like I said, I refused the majority of treatments even though I ended up paying for them anyways. $240 for a ride to the hospital that involved, are you okay? Do you have a concusion (+tests), do you want painkillers? No, okay, let me know if you do. Then a little iodine and some gauze.

Once again, this is NOT a question of whether or not the person SHOULD be wearing full gear, this is to me a question of whether or not someone should be obeying the law. LIKE I SAID, HERE IN CANADA it is the law that you wear a helmet, it is the law that you wear a seatbelt. If either fail in their intended use, then yes they should be treated.
However! If people refuse to follow the law, if they refuse to protect themselves, I do not want to pay for their stupidity.
I also think that we shouldn't be treating people who are shot while commiting a crime, or people who are injured evading arrest. Laws exist for a reason, to protect us, but it seems that a fair number of us wish to be taken care of after the fact.

iwannadie wrote: what was the state in the us that is now flat out refusing to treat ANY motorcycle victime regardless of protection and insurance.

WHAT???? You're joking??? Right?

iwannadie wrote:you guys can argue your opinion all you want, if you google a little bit youll find alot of stats that show riders with/without helmets are equal in fatality stats. just because you have a helmet on doesnt mean it will save your life in an accident.

Two items. First, I can't find those stats so instead of just saying for me to look them up, can you provide links? Thanks.

Second, The Consumer Safety Products Council has reported that bicycle injuries have increased since the time many folks started wearing bike helmets. It doesn't ID the cause, but the stat is pretty obvious. I have no idea if this applies to regular bikes.

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Please don't click on the link if you aren't prepared to be permanently scared for life.

WARNING! THIS IS EXTREMELY GORY!!

I don't want to end up like this guy, and wearing a helmet is the best way to prevent it.

i thought there was a story with that pic that said he had an open face helmet on? if not same thing can happen with open face helemts...

isnowbrd wrote:WARNING! THIS IS EXTREMELY GORY!!

A picture is worth a thousand words---> http://poetry.rotten.com/all-kings-horses/0002/

Please don't click on the link if you aren't prepared to be permanently scared for life.

WARNING! THIS IS EXTREMELY GORY!!

I don't want to end up like this guy, and wearing a helmet is the best way to prevent it.