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#41 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:51 pm

but, but, but, if you don't have a bike with an engine bigger then 1000cc's you aren't a real man.

iwannadie · Thu Jul 21, 2005 12:57 pm

Sevulturus wrote:but, but, but, if you don't have a bike with an engine bigger then 1000cc's you aren't a real man.

i think thats all its coming down to. that american allure for bigger more expensive means its gotta be better.

look at the UK laws they restrict you to learning on smaller CC bikes. cant tell me a country is just making that law up for whatever reason. if starting on a 1500cc bike is so dam safe why is there laws against it, and noone seems to be having problems learning this way over there? but again its a dead argument certain people have it in their mind and will go to the grave defending it. im open to ideas or reasons regarding all this. the best ive gotten was the wind issue which is pointless imho.

guess noone should buy stock in the smaller cc bikes as they are about to be worthless when people realize you need 1000ccs to have fun on.

...when do i insult anyone?

#43 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:01 pm

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iwannadie wrote:you can think what you want i could careless anything coming from a guy who wears chaps on a honda599 and crys about safety issues in nearly every post. surprised you can actually go outside you seem so afraid of everything. maybe the over compensating for you is in another form and you need to move out of your parents house and actually find a woman. not to mention your previous suggestion to allow motorcyclist to be left for dead if they dont meet Your safety levels. so your opinions mean no thing to me. but then again you are canadian after all so noone else cares either

iwannadie · Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:35 pm

more of an opinion than an insult id say.

besides was once, i hardly find myself to be an insultive kind of person.

#45 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:39 pm

iwannadie wrote: ok so you outgrew your bike because of the wind? oh that makes a whole load of sense right there. thats not a case of out growing something thats a case of the real world effects. so if you move to a place with no wind your bike would out grow you and you wouldnt need it anymore? what next you out grown your bike because of the rain?

There's no way you can possibly use a keyboard yet be this daft. If you think I mean I outgrew my bike like I outgrew a pair of sneakers, then I don't know how to argue with you. Yes, I outgrew the bike. The thrill was gone. The bike did not have enough power for me. What more can I say here?

iwannadie wrote: doesnt sound like you enjoy shifting gears, i didnt say anything about your ability. if you dont like to shift gears reason seems youd enjoy having an automatic.

I don't mind shifting gears. I do mind having to drop two gears to accelerate from 70mph to anything faster. The engine was turning almost 6,000rpm at that speed, you'd think there would be some power available...but there wasn't. The powerband was located between 8,000rpm and the 9500rpm redline.

iwannadie wrote: not everyone rides just to have torque ya know, its a personal riding preference. just because you like doesnt mean everyone out theres is in 'envy' of you.

I didn't say everyone, just you...so don't try that crap. You seem envious considering how you resorted to taking cheap shots at me.

iwannadie wrote: alot of people would laugh at your torque as they drag their need through a turn passing you. my 600 tourer would blow your bike away in 0-60 most likely higher top end as well, plus power enough to go into a head wind. lay into any turn and stop on a dime. all with a motor thats what half as big as yours and cost me a whopping 3 grand for an 03 with about 2k miles on it. but again its all preference, you dont Need your bike nor does anyone else need a certain one, if it has a motor and 2 wheels you can have your fun on it and not out grow it.

Huh? What the hell am I supposed to take from that? That knee-draggers are laughing at me? I commute 100+ miles to and from work, mostly interstate, and I enjoy cruising @ 80mph while turning well under 4,000rpm. And I enjoy staying in 5th gear to overtake other drivers or ride into a head-wind.

iwannadie wrote: go to the kbb site, and youll see the blue book on an 03 ninja 250 is about 2500$ a brand new 05 is retail 3000. 500$ for 2 full riding years isnt anthing at all. keep it just one year and make even more money when you sell it. look on ebay for more examples of this. bikes like anything will loose value but some hold it Very well. especially these 'learner' bikes. theres tons of them being bought and sold and always a high demand for them(despite what youll ever say about them people are buying them). you can buy an 03 for like 2500 ride it a season and sell it off for for 2300$. cant tell me thats cost prohibitive spending 200$ for a bike to learn on for a full year?

Where are you buying your Ninja 250's, the duty-free shop? Where I live (planet Earth, you may have heard of it) they like to tack on things like oh, I dunno, tax/title/doc-fees/freight/assembly to the cost of a new bike. At $3,000 retail, a Ninja 250 would be $3,210.00 with tax plus ~$500.00 for the other fees, bringing you up to just over $3,700.00 - NOT including finance charges if you get a loan instead of paying cash. Trade-in on a 2003 Ninja 250 is $1,655.00 and retail (what a dealership would charge) is $2,460.00. That's a $1,240.00 loss if you manage to get even that much for the bike - a far cry from your $500.00 figure above. And I never said anything about it being "cost prohibitive", I just said why bother. Nobody is going to keep a Ninja 250 for a full season unless their finances are such that it is cost prohibitive - otherwise they'll get rid of it first chance they get.

#46 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:58 pm

iwannadie wrote: guess noone should buy stock in the smaller cc bikes as they are about to be worthless when people realize you need 1000ccs to have fun on.

You seem to be missing the point as always. It's not just about power. In addition to a larger motor with more power, my bike also weighs about 200lbs more than bikes in the 650-1100cc range. That's because my chassis is also much bigger. Remember, I'm not arguing from a point of inexperience here. I'm not a very big guy (5'10-1/2" and 220lbs) and I have ridden a Sportster 883, a Honda Shadow Ace 750, and a V-Star Classic 1100. All three bikes felt cramped to me. And their respective owners even agreed with me. Hell, for that matter, Rider Magazine agrees with me:

"...At 6 feet tall I found the Honda [Shadow Aero 750]'s riding position cramped, but seats and handlebars are very easy to change. The Aero clearly makes the least power of the four. It offers only leisurely acceleration, and by an indicated 65 mph in fifth gear the bike feels like it's straining as the rider searches in vain for a higher gear. Whack the throttle open at 65 and the response is very lazy - by far the laziest of any bike here. We get the impression that the Honda has been geared low to compensate for its lack of power. At least its lightness allows shorter or smaller riders to handle it well..."

"Lazy" and "leisurely" have their place...and some people prefer them to hard-acceleration and great roll-on torque...but they're not for me. And I'd prefer not to change out the handlebars just to make the bike fit my ergos. All three bikes I mentioned above made me bend my knees and hold them higher than I prefer to...another reason (besides power) that I wanted and, dare I say, needed a bigger bike.

#47 Unread post by **Sev** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:11 pm

ZooTech wrote:
Sevulturus wrote:You're better off just not argueing with Zoo, he'd rather insult you then reason with you.

Oh wait, iwannadie does that too. Where's my popcorn?
Well, I could threaten to leave him bleeding in the street, but that's more your style.

I did no such thing, you offered me a liter of bodily fluid... that seemed like the best choice.

#48 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:15 pm

iwannadie · Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:24 pm

as usual this topic just goes downhill fast.

#50 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:31 pm