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BTW Verm... don't screw with your weight trying to bulk up. If your body is comfortable being 125, and you are more or less healthy at that weight, be happy. If you start with the Weight Gain 4000 you put yourself into a high-maintenance mode... you slack off for a little bit and all that bulk turns to flab... and at that point your body is used to getting a lot of calories so it'll send you hunger signals if you drop below 3000 calories a day... and you'll turn into a 5'9" diameter sphere before you know it. Probably not what you want.

dieziege wrote:BTW Verm... don't screw with your weight trying to bulk up. If your body is comfortable being 125, and you are more or less healthy at that weight, be happy. If you start with the Weight Gain 4000 you put yourself into a high-maintenance mode... you slack off for a little bit and all that bulk turns to flab... and at that point your body is used to getting a lot of calories so it'll send you hunger signals if you drop below 3000 calories a day... and you'll turn into a 5'9" diameter sphere before you know it. Probably not what you want.

thanks for the warning.

I dont know, what your body is "comfortable" with is a pretty subjective thing. Sure you have your "natural" weight, but most people really dont know what that is due to bad eating or excercise habits. I dont think you should try to put on 20lbs, bit extreme and will take a lot of maintenance before your body starts trying to metabolize the muscle tissue HOWEVER improving your fitness and adding some muscle mass is NOT a bad thing however it is more or less a LIFE choice that you have to make. You have to eat well, and stick with it.

I wouldnt tell anyone they shouldnt try to improve themselves. If he gains 10lbs of muscle he wont be ANY less healthy than he was and at the same time might have more confidence, which is part of mental health. And the myth that muscle turns into fat is exactly that...its a myth. Yes you lose muscle mass if you stop working out and as a result, your metabolism will SLOW down(remember one pound of muscle burns around 50 extra calories a day) but not completely shut down. Protein will not get metabolized and turned into fat cells, ESPECIALLY in someone with his body type. If you are working out, consuming a lot of calories then stop, yes then you will start gaining fat.

I wouldnt go with the weight gainers. High calories...not needed really...gains the wrong type of weight sometimes. Stick with the whey protein. It will help.

kellanv wrote:I dont know, what your body is "comfortable" with is a pretty subjective thing. Sure you have your "natural" weight, but most people really dont know what that is due to bad eating or excercise habits. I dont think you should try to put on 20lbs, bit extreme and will take a lot of maintenance before your body starts trying to metabolize the muscle tissue HOWEVER improving your fitness and adding some muscle mass is NOT a bad thing however it is more or less a LIFE choice that you have to make. You have to eat well, and stick with it.

I wouldnt tell anyone they shouldnt try to improve themselves. If he gains 10lbs of muscle he wont be ANY less healthy than he was and at the same time might have more confidence, which is part of mental health. And the myth that muscle turns into fat is exactly that...its a myth. Yes you lose muscle mass if you stop working out and as a result, your metabolism will SLOW down(remember one pound of muscle burns around 50 extra calories a day) but not completely shut down. Protein will not get metabolized and turned into fat cells, ESPECIALLY in someone with his body type. If you are working out, consuming a lot of calories then stop, yes then you will start gaining fat.

I wouldnt go with the weight gainers. High calories...not needed really...gains the wrong type of weight sometimes. Stick with the whey protein. It will help.

ok cool, whey protein it is...

wow! even at work people have given diff advice.

i'll just go w/ my instincts and so far... i like the idea of whey protein more so i'll give that a try 1st.

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sdm1234 wrote: ...anyway, i'm in the process of getting my license, and i've been riding around a lot lately. the first thing i noticed was after getting off the motorcycle, my forearms, lower back, and various other muscles were quite fatigued. now, i'm 20 yrs old and in excellent shape, but i have to admit that riding did take a lot out of me. so, i've started biking hardcore in my backyard to prepare myself for motorcycling and it's helped. not only do i not feel fatigued anymore, but i also feel i have better control over my machine, as well.

You got fatigued riding around on a Maxim? Sounds like you are probably just too tense, or your seat isn't right for you or something. At least you aren't feeling fatigued now, but I'm wondering what caused it in the first place. A lot of people tense their muscles a lot when first learning to ride... that eventually goes away once they get a feeling for how to sit comfortably on their bike.

I've never ridden on a motorcycle before, not even as a passenger, so naturally, the first few times I took the bike out, my body felt weak. When the body feels a lack of control, whether it may be from weightlifting or sports, or in my case motorcycling, not only are the muscles being over-worked, but now the joints try and make up for the over-stressed muscles and take off over 50% of the pressure. In turn, this causes intense muscle fatigue and unhealthy joint stress. So, after the first few times with the motorcycle out, my entire body was aching, because of inexperience. However, now that I've been riding it more and more, the only incidents now are just simply tired muscles, because of extended periods of riding. It's not that I don't fit correctly on the bike or I am tensed up anymore; it's just that a few muscles are SLIGHTLY fatigued after riding the motorcycle, that's all.

VermilionX wrote: i'll just go w/ my instincts and so far... i like the idea of whey protein more so i'll give that a try 1st.

Bad move. People's instincts are what creates injuries. If you're going to work out, then do it right. Do not rely on supplements to do the job. Whey protein is only good if you build the muscle tissue, as protein's only job is for tissue repair and enhancement. If you're going to take whey, you may as well take Potassium supplements, as well. Also, if you're going to workout and gain that 20 extra lbs. of muscle, it would be wise to take Glucosamine for the joints. Fish Oil should also be a daily supplement for you, whether you're body-building or not. Keep a healthy balance of carbs and grains, as well as your proteins and sugars, depending on your workout schedule. There is so much more information that nobody on these forums can tell you, so do yourself a favor and take very little advice from everyone, including from me even. Just visit http://www.ast-ss.com/max-ot/max-ot_intro.asp for everything you'll ever want to know about weight-lifting plus much, much more. Always stay safe lifting and stay safe riding!

SDM is basically right, theres far more to it than anyone who even knows is going to care to explain BUT I took a look at that site and it is WAY too full of hype and advertising. Do some research if you really want to know whats behind different supplements. You can NEVER rely on any supplement. It all comes down to how hard you work. AND on top of that, supplementing can be VERY expensive.

Dont forget the flax seed oil too while you're at it...

haha

kellanv wrote:SDM is basically right, theres far more to it than anyone who even knows is going to care to explain BUT I took a look at that site and it is WAY too full of hype and advertising. Do some research if you really want to know whats behind different supplements. You can NEVER rely on any supplement. It all comes down to how hard you work. AND on top of that, supplementing can be VERY expensive.

Dont forget the flax seed oil too while you're at it...

haha

yeah, i bet they are expensive. oh well, i'll just what i can on my own. thanks.

Whey protein expensive. I went through a 'workout' phase in college. Body looked better but it didnt last because I wasnt really dedicated to it.

125 is pretty light, you could use to add 20-30 pounds. Adding it in muscle is tough and would take alot of work and dedication for many years.

You know whats cheap? Beer. Drink a few of those a day and you'll pack on some weight.

Or get married, those wedding bands will add 20 pounds within a year.