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Actually, a brief countersteer maneuver at low speeds can help induce a quick lean. Easier and quicker than trying to push the bike over in the direction you want it to lean. There are some videos floating around to explain/show it.

Unfortunatley Ivan, you have too weave cones at a slow speed to get your license,
so ,practice and try again dude, I only passed by 1 point so we aren't too far apart.
ain't no crime in failing, not trying again thats a crime

True enough. I think it's a load of crap, but that hasn't stopped me from practicing and after waiting over a month my test is tomorrow.

Ivan M wrote:Where did I say I knew more than my instructors? As for whether the test was good or not, it wouldn't be the first time that the gov't mishandled things. The entire test was low speed going through cones, how does that prove a person is ready to ride at regular speeds or even highway ride? Every time I point out how idling through cones should not be the basis for getting a license, you say I have a bad attitude or I think I know everything.

I'm a practical guy. I drive a practical bike. If I'm going to get a license it should be because I can drive on the road like a normal human being, not for going through cones like a slug.

Hey, Ivan, where are you?

Go ahead and keep arguing with the folks who've got experience. It doesn't make you look any smarter. It is understood that your opinion is different that other folks. Doesn't make it right or better.

I can only hope that at some point you may "get" that slow speed skills, though not lifesaving, are darn useful to have in your toolbox of basic skills.

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Ivan M wrote:Weaving at 5 km/h is nothing like weaving at 50 km/h. You're not counter-steering, for starters. As for 35% of accidents being avoidable due to 5 km/h cone weaving abilities, well that's an interesting idea. Did you know that 45% of accidents can be avoided by wearing a pink helmet and dressing like a sexy girl? Now you know.

your right its not the same. counter stearing at 50km/hr is very easy compared to 5km/hr as it doesnt take any skill to counterstear/weave at 50km/hr.

Where am I? Ft. st. john, B.C.

I don't think experience plays into this issue. Even as a person with no riding experience, I could step back and say, "That's a pretty dumb way of doing things."

Speaking of experience, I think a lot of people make a big deal out of it when it's really not. Does a person with 10,000 km under his belt have a more valid opinion than a guy with 2000? How about 100,000 km compared to 10,000? As with many things, people want to feel special so they separate themselves and say, "I'm a vet, you're just a rookie or a wannabe."

The truth is, that there are diminishing returns as you rack up the miles. Unless you're pushing your limits, you're not learning anything new. I'm not saying that a more experienced rider doesn't have a slight edge over a less experienced rider, but that the edge is slight.

I didn't know "darn useful" could be defined as completely unnecessary when you can just use your feet. Do they have their somewhat limited uses? Sure. Can they transfer into other skills? Why not? However, I think the posters here are making a lot more out of these skills than they are, just to try and prove that I'm wrong.

ofblong wrote:

Ivan M wrote:Weaving at 5 km/h is nothing like weaving at 50 km/h. You're not counter-steering, for starters. As for 35% of accidents being avoidable due to 5 km/h cone weaving abilities, well that's an interesting idea. Did you know that 45% of accidents can be avoided by wearing a pink helmet and dressing like a sexy girl? Now you know.

your right its not the same. counter stearing at 50km/hr is very easy compared to 5km/hr as it doesnt take any skill to counterstear/weave at 50km/hr.

That's probably because, as I said, you don't counter-steer at 5 km/h. So yes, it would be a lot harder, if nigh impossible. You sure proved me wrong.

Ivan M wrote:I don't think experience plays into this issue. Even as a person with no riding experience, I could step back and say, "That's a pretty dumb way of doing things."

Teaching a teenage kid to spar. I show him a technique--round kick to the side of the knee, side kick to the gut, knee slam to the head.

He snorts about how he'd never do that in the street. It's not practical. He'd just kick them in the head and be done with it.

So I invite him to to kick me in the head, and he's very surprised to be holding his groin and grimacing in pain.

Once he catches his breath, I show him--round kick buckles the knee. Sidekick doubles him over, making the knee to the head easy and efficient. Very practical. Much less effort than trying to knock an opponent out with one misguided kick.

He thought his being told a combination was "stupid" and that going straight to the end point was smarter. He lacked the experience to tell him otherwise.

Just like you learn basic arithmetic before algebra, and algebra before calculus... certain skills and knowledge starts small, and start slow. When you have the fundamentals, what comes after is so much easier.

Then again, at this point you're not going to admit any error. In another situation, you'd be the one holding your groin.

come on thumper... haven't you learned anything from this thread? if you had you would know that the kid holding his groin knows that your method doesn't make any since. a noobie can see that. and besides... if he's thrown 2 kicks then he's just as experienced as your 400 kicks. after the first few you really don't learn anything new.

good grief! when are you going to learn thumper?

to ivan, enjoy your ride.

hat's probably because, as I said, you don't counter-steer at 5 km/h. So yes, it would be a lot harder, if nigh impossible. You sure proved me wrong.

As I said above, you can countersteer at low speeds to initiate the lean. You don't press nearly as hard or have to deflect the front wheel as much to do it at low speeds, but it does work, as long as you use it in moderation. It's nearly imperceptable but if you watch a video of the front tire at low speeds countersteer will induce the lean you want (or maybe more than you want if you overdo it).