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#61 Unread post by fiveoboy01 »

DivideOverflow wrote: You have to be licensed to buy a car. You should have to be licensed to buy a road bike. You have to be insured to buy a car, you should have to be insured for a road bike. If the bike is not going to be used on public roads, that is fine, but don't give them a license plate.
The license legally allows a person to OPERATE the vehicle on a public street/highway.

It's an inatimate object. If ANYONE has the $, they should be allowed to buy a bike/car, license or not. Of course, if they wish to operate said vehicle on a road, of course they should go get a license.

People will circumvent laws regardless of how many are in place. An excellent example are the thousands of firearm laws on the books. None of them do a bit of good.

All you're advocating is MORE government involvement in the citizen's personal lives, of which there is way too much already.

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#62 Unread post by CNF2002 »

Americans view driving as a right. They could have 10 DUIs and 10 crashes in one year, no insurance company in the world would be willing to insure them, and they could have a revoked license, but how dare the US Govt tell them they cant drive.

Attitudes need to change. I personally have no idea how we can keep these people off the road, access to vehicles is just too easy.

As soon as this girl recovers she will be back on the road, probably in a nice big car yacking on the phone just primed to kill someone else instead.
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#63 Unread post by DivideOverflow »

dieziege wrote:
Umm... it would help your "no knee-jerk" case if you were even close to correct about other things you say. I'll say it again... YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE LICENSED TO BUY A CAR. Not in Florida, not in California, not in any state I have researched.

Florida has a stipulation that you cannot renew the registration if one of the owners has a Suspended license... that is intended to force them to pay unpaid parking tickets and the like. If that person didn't have a license at all, no problem. They don't require that the owner be licensed. They don't even require that the owner be the one who registers the car... a 99 year old grandma with no license can buy a car for your daughter, register it in her name, and give it to her when she is 6 years old. Of course, the insurance companies will exclude her from driving the car until she has a learner's permit, but it will be hers legally, registered an insured in her name. Grandma (and your daughter) just needs to have someone else drive it if it goes on public roads.

Think about it, how else would Joe Rockstar who lost his license doing 185 own a car for someone else to drive?

liability insurance is required in most states to register a motor vehicle. Florida apparently exempts motorcycles, which is reasonable since motorcycles usually don't do too much harm. No state requires comprehensive, medical for the rider/driver, or any of the other types. It wasn't a problem in this case; the young woman didn't hurt anybody or cause any property damage.

Your solutions won't help. Your information is incorrect. Your ideas are flawed. ... all of that would be forgivable...but you also don't research your "facts". Google it.
You are right about the not needing to be licensed to buy a car. Every time I got vehicles titled (or purchased them at a dealer), they required a driver's license, so I assumed it was required. However, I guess that is just for identification.

They don't require the owner to register the car, BUT. you have to provide the owner's proof of insurance. If it is a renewal, you still have to provide the proof of insurance of the owner, and provide a copy of the current registration or a renewal notice...

You still have to be on an insurance plan, and cannot register the car for someone else unless they have insurance.

For you to Register the car under another person, you have to provide proof of their insurance. You can have them as an owner or co-owner on the title, but they still can't legally drive it unless they are under an insurance policy covering the car.

I know only liability is required for cars, but I sure as hell would want my damages paid for if a bike were to hit any of my vehicles. Taking people to court sucks.

And for the young woman not hurting anyone... She very well could have. I've seen motorcycles total cars, hit pedestrians, shut down traffic for hours due to accidents on the freeway, and they keep insurance prices up, and give motorcyclists a bad name.

How is trying to require motorcyclists to follow the law a bad idea? You are just stuck on a mental power-trip against authority. How is requiring a license to operate a vehicle to get your registration bad? I sure as hell dont like every joe schmoe mentally challenged out there making it a more dangerous place for me to drive because they don't think the rules apply to them.

You are a very grouchy person btw.

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#64 Unread post by dieziege »

Grouchy? Only because it had been pointed out at least FIVE times in this thread that you do NOT need a license to buy a car... that is five times before you wrote, "You have to be licensed to buy a car." I went back and counted... the actual number is arguably more than five. When someone who obviously can't be troubled to keep track of the conversation or the facts starts proposing laws... well... you certainly didn't earn my respect and admiration.

You keep providing disinformation. There is nothing saying that the owner must provide insurance. Only that the vehicle must be insured OR have proof of financial responsibility. I can insure a family member's, or even a friend's, car or motorcycle without having my name on the title. With that proof of financial responsbility the car can be registered. The insurance does not need to cover the owner as a driver either.

I'm not stuck on a mental power trip against authority... rather, I want people who propose laws to know at least SOMETHING about what they are talking about before they decide what is a "good idea". I also want the existing laws to be applied before you start piling new ones on top. There were at least three laws broken by the cause of this thread: 1) basic speed, 2) driver's license, 3) helmet. All are easily observed, easily enforced, and reasonable. Why do you want to add another law? Especially one that simply harasses legitimate commerce, requires many loop-holes, and will not prevent the sort of lawbreaking that led to this incident.

Taking a cue from the rest of the world, I'll tell you what is going to happen: she or her family is going to sue the dealer (or whoever she bought the bike from) for allowing her to ride it away without a helmet on. Accusations will fly about training requirements. The manufacturer, who has deeper pockets, will be named in the lawsuit for creating an inherrently unsafe vehicle AND for not training the dealerships not to sell high powered motorcycles to people without a helmet. The dealers are going to be more careful about it for a while, and the problem won't happen again for some time. At the same time, new laws will be passed requiring proof of personal health insurance for motorcycle riders, requiring licenses to purchase things, requiring that dealerships give motorcycle purchasers a free helmet or not deliver a bike to someone who can't show that they own a helmet, and so on.

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#65 Unread post by grymlocke »

here in California (I just went through both the licensing and registration process...) OHV's are required to have a 'green sticker', road vehicles registration requires proof of finanial responsibility (most get this by insurance)...you don't need the endorsement TO OWN, BUT if you get caught by john law RIDING with out it,your reamed...if your caught without the financial proof, your reamed, no helmet? your reamed...
...get reamed enough and your insurance goes up (reaming you somemore...)... :frusty:

...for those green sticker ohv's, you need land owner permission or an 'approved area' like an ohv park to ride (that have their own rules...) , I'm not sure about nation forests though.

see the common theme through it all?..
lesson: get informed and play by the rules (as best as you can) it's just not worth the hassles (or the reaming) to do otherwise.

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#66 Unread post by ab420 »

Stupid. Sad, but stupid.









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#67 Unread post by MrGompers »

Just to chime in here for a second. In Conn you don't need a drivers license to buy a car or bike. You do need a license to register a car. Don't need a motorcycle license to register a bike tho.

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#68 Unread post by dieziege »

Not to be super ana about it, but in Conn. you do NOT need a driver's license to register a car. You need an "Acceptable form of Identifiaction", which according to your DMV is either a Driver's License, a state-issued photo ID, or a U.S. Military ID.

For all the details: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2005/pub/Chap246.htm

I think what is confusing most people is that you need an ID card, and most people never get any form of state ID other than a driver's license. In my case I got a state-issued photo ID (looked exactly like a driver's license except it had "NOT A LICENSE TO DRIVE" printed on it) when I was 9... so I know from experience that most of the stuff people say needs a driver's license really just needs an ID.

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#69 Unread post by skinnyjoint »

all i have to add to this debate










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