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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:36 am
by dieziege
And anyway, the normal rule is this:
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22400. (a) No person shall drive upon a highway at such a slow
speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of
traffic, unless the reduced speed is necessary for safe
operation, because of a grade, or in compliance with law.
-- California Vehicle Code.
Notice the "because of a grade" and "or in compliance with law"... now take your law of bicycle riding which states it is legally required that you ride on the road and you find that it is legal for a bicycle to impede or block the normal flow of traffic in some circumstances.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:39 am
by -Holiday
basshole wrote:
(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
all this is saying, is then when the road isnt wide enough, the bike shouldnt ride as close to the right as possible. No where does it say the bike shouldnt be in the lane at all. This is one of those cases where the bicycle would have to take the entire lane unless there was a minimum speed posted.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:40 am
by -Holiday
basshole wrote:Please view the post one up from this on where bicycles are suppose to ride on the road. And I'm not wrong now that I read the law. And don't you expect your children to follow by example or is it do as I say not as I do? My whole point I'm trying to make is this. The roads are dangerous. The bigger the vehicle the safer you generally are and the smaller and less protected the vehicle the higher the risk. Common sense tell you that if I'm not big enough or fast enough to compete with traffic on the raod, may safest place is as far away from high speed traffic as possible.
-Holiday wrote:basshole wrote:My understanding of the rules of the road is that if you can't make speed limit or keep up with the flow of traffic, you have no business being on it
you are once again, simply wrong. and you are not in the minority, most people are just as uneducated about this subject as you are. The bad part is when these people then take it upon themselves to "educate" others using thier own missinformation. The irony in this is that by your own lack of information, you are actually the one creating a dangerous situation.
btw, i wouldnt let my kid ride a bike on the street, or ride a motorcycle, because he's a kid. what the hell does that have to do with anything?
i did. see my post above. Nowhere does it say the bike isnt allowed to be on the road, it jsut says it shouldn be in the right part of the lane.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:43 am
by The Grinch
21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
So? This doesn't say that bicycles are not allowed to use the road, merely that they should stay as far to the right as safely possible. This is no different than a slow motor vehicle holding up a long line of other vehicles. The slow vehicle should move over and allow others to pass.
Judging all bicycle riders by those who don't follow this rule is no better than judging all motorcycle riders by the squids who do wheelies and other stunts on the public roads.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 7:48 am
by basshole
That the only point I'm trying to make! So bicycle rider Bob has no more right to ride 6 mph in a 35mph road than does Freds car or Hank M/C. Those vehicle must travel as far right as possible.
XM23 wrote:21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
So? This doesn't say that bicycles are not allowed to use the road, merely that they should stay as far to the right as safely possible. This is no different than a slow motor vehicle holding up a long line of other vehicles. The slow vehicle should move over and allow others to pass.
Judging all bicycle riders by those who don't follow this rule is no better than judging all motorcycle riders by the squids who do wheelies and other stunts on the public roads.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:02 am
by -Holiday
basshole wrote:That the only point I'm trying to make! So bicycle rider Bob has no more right to ride 6 mph in a 35mph road than does Freds car or Hank M/C. Those vehicle must travel as far right as possible.
XM23 wrote:21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
So? This doesn't say that bicycles are not allowed to use the road, merely that they should stay as far to the right as safely possible. This is no different than a slow motor vehicle holding up a long line of other vehicles. The slow vehicle should move over and allow others to pass.
Judging all bicycle riders by those who don't follow this rule is no better than judging all motorcycle riders by the squids who do wheelies and other stunts on the public roads.
i dont think anyone was ever arguing that.
i'm glad we're all on he same page then
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:07 am
by basshole
LOL...yeah it took us long enough!!! Damn, I need a beer now!
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:28 am
by The Grinch
Yeah, that took long enough.
One last thing I want to point out is that bicyclists ride as far to the right as safely possible. This doesn't mean we always ride in the gutter. We often need to move left to avoid crap and dangerous conditions near the right side of the road (including parked cars--for some bizarre reason, it's legal to park in most bike lanes in California).
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:26 pm
by Mintbread
Andy G wrote:
If someone pays taxes - they are paying for the roads. Let's just say they DON'T own a car, truck, motorcycle, etc. Portions of their taxes (income, sales) go to roads in one way or another. Just like portions of my taxes go to pay for schools, even though I don't have kids in school.
It seems as though you have a bone to pick with cyclists. Why not pick on the motorcyclists that don't abide by the laws? What about the cagers? Seems as though they would be more of a worry to you than a guy on a bicycle.
They have insurance, so I don't care what they do.
You still haven't answered my question as to why a motorcyclist has to pay to use the road (via registration and insurance) and a bicyclist doesn't.
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 12:05 am
by Andy G
Mintbread wrote:
They have insurance, so I don't care what they do.
You still haven't answered my question as to why a motorcyclist has to pay to use the road (via registration and insurance) and a bicyclist doesn't.
You know the answer why, as well as I do.
Cuz that's how the laws are written.
Besides...you gonna make a 8 year old register and insure their Schwinn?
