YZF 600 as a starter?

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Re: YZF 600 as a starter?

#61 Unread post by Dennis27 »

NuRida wrote:hey all

just wanted to get some feedback...what are your thoughts of the Yamaha YZF600 (not the r6),??? pros? cons? is it a suitable starter bike?
Its easier to know where you're going if you know where you've already been.. Have you ever ridden a motorcycle? A dirt bike anything with two wheels a motor besides a scooter or moped? A motorcycle with a clutch? If you have and you understand the dynamics of leaning, throttle response, shifting etc. The 600 YZF should be fine you'll grow into its performance. If a majority of your motorcycle experience comes from watching Biker Boys then we might have a problem.

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zootech wrote: The CX500 I learned on weighed nearly 600lbs, and the seat height was so tall I had to stand on tip-toes at traffic lights. The brakes felt wooden, the tires were dry-rotted, and the engine was mounted too high in the frame making it very top-heavy...yet I survived the experience and went on to own a 700cc NightHawk and then a 1600cc Mean Streak.
My first street bike experience was one my dads CX500 when I was 14 and had years of dirt bike experience under my belt. I promply dumped it taking it off of the sidestand because it was such a top heavy pig :laughing: I completely agree that when I read someone recommending a bike like this over newer, better performing bikes I really have to laugh. Kids these days don't realize how good they have got it.....
That said, buying a 600 supersport is a complete waste for a new rider. It can be done IMO if he has good judgement but he will look like a total shmuck trying to wobble it down the street anyway. As for the people who claim that they have hair trigger throttles, they too have no idea what they are talking about. The latest 636 Ninja felt like a complete slug to me riding it around town unless you had strong intent to make it fly. The engines are so completely docile at lower R.P.M.s, that they are really not alot of fun unless you are on the track anyway. I still say, make an EX500 look like a ZX6R and you will have a bike to satisfy a learners' wants and needs.

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#63 Unread post by ZooTech »

High_Side wrote: My first street bike experience was one my dads CX500 when I was 14 and had years of dirt bike experience under my belt. I promply dumped it taking it off of the sidestand because it was such a top heavy pig :laughing: I completely agree that when I read someone recommending a bike like this over newer, better performing bikes I really have to laugh. Kids these days don't realize how good they have got it.....
That said, buying a 600 supersport is a complete waste for a new rider. It can be done IMO if he has good judgement but he will look like a total shmuck trying to wobble it down the street anyway. As for the people who claim that they have hair trigger throttles, they too have no idea what they are talking about. The latest 636 Ninja felt like a complete slug to me riding it around town unless you had strong intent to make it fly. The engines are so completely docile at lower R.P.M.s, that they are really not alot of fun unless you are on the track anyway. I still say, make an EX500 look like a ZX6R and you will have a bike to satisfy a learners' wants and needs.
Yeah, the CX500 was a cow! My Meanie weighs over 200lbs more but is far better balanced and easier to hold up and maneuver.

And I agree about the 600's being weak at low throttle. My coworker that learned on the 1,000cc Honda Hawk last year just bought a showroom fresh '05 Yamaha R1 this Spring. That bike boasts 180 frickin' horsepower with ram-air!!! But when I asked him how much faster it was than his Hawk, he said he could barely make it wheelie while his Hawk would do it in any gear with just the throttle. All of the bike's rated power is up around 10k RPM, and it would take more than a clumsy slip of the wrist to tap that well of power! You can putter around on a YZF600R just as easily as you can drive a Dodge Viper in rush-hour traffic....it's called "dexterity".

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zootech wrote:
High_Side wrote: My first street bike experience was one my dads CX500 when I was 14 and had years of dirt bike experience under my belt. I promply dumped it taking it off of the sidestand because it was such a top heavy pig :laughing: I completely agree that when I read someone recommending a bike like this over newer, better performing bikes I really have to laugh. Kids these days don't realize how good they have got it.....
That said, buying a 600 supersport is a complete waste for a new rider. It can be done IMO if he has good judgement but he will look like a total shmuck trying to wobble it down the street anyway. As for the people who claim that they have hair trigger throttles, they too have no idea what they are talking about. The latest 636 Ninja felt like a complete slug to me riding it around town unless you had strong intent to make it fly. The engines are so completely docile at lower R.P.M.s, that they are really not alot of fun unless you are on the track anyway. I still say, make an EX500 look like a ZX6R and you will have a bike to satisfy a learners' wants and needs.
Yeah, the CX500 was a cow! My Meanie weighs over 200lbs more but is far better balanced and easier to hold up and maneuver.

And I agree about the 600's being weak at low throttle. My coworker that learned on the 1,000cc Honda Hawk last year just bought a showroom fresh '05 Yamaha R1 this Spring. That bike boasts 180 frickin' horsepower with ram-air!!! But when I asked him how much faster it was than his Hawk, he said he could barely make it wheelie while his Hawk would do it in any gear with just the throttle. All of the bike's rated power is up around 10k RPM, and it would take more than a clumsy slip of the wrist to tap that well of power! You can putter around on a YZF600R just as easily as you can drive a Dodge Viper in rush-hour traffic....it's called "dexterity".
Dude!!!! Someone ripped your friend off big time by slipping a little 250 in where his in line 4 should be on that R1!!!!!! Lmao :laughing: no rolf :roll2: That R1 will lift up 1-3 with out even breaking a sweat and if you have big enough cahonies you can do it in 4th... And that R1 would leave that Hawk at a stop light w/out even so much as a good by hug...You friend needs to chiggetty check himself and his new R1..

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#65 Unread post by Psycluded »

Ok. I'll throw in my :twocents:

I rode dirtbikes in high school. I rode them hard and with a bunch of guys who went on to race MX in both amateur circuits and professionally. I had good teachers and learned a lot of good lessons for dirtbike riding.

That being said, those lessons have helped me with only two aspects of riding my new CBR600F4i: shifting and saving my bum when I'm about to go down.

Cornering, braking, keeping power on the back wheel, throttle/engine speed management, proper shift points, traffic safety and strategies... all of these I've had to learn from scratch, either from books like Proficient Motorcycling or from my MSF instructors.

Now, I'm 25 years old, and I've seen friends die on sportsbikes. I'm not so immature as to think "that can't happen to me". In all seriousness, it quite likely may. An accident that would have merely been a sore chest and/or broken wrist in a car would probably kill or leave maimed for life a motorcyclist. The acknowledgement of that fact tends to give a person a lot of respect for the he or she is riding, regardless of the number of CCs the engine weighs in at.

So, my advice is, buy whatever bike you feel comfortable taking the responsibility for, because when you get on that bike, no one other than you are responsible for your safety. If you ride it sanely for the first month or so, then start to get overconfident with the bike, that can kill you just as quick as a newbie mistake your first day out on the road.

RIDE WITHIN YOUR ABILITIES.

A 250cc sportsbike will allow you to exceed your riding abilities, just like a 600cc or 1000cc supersport will. The only difference is the SPEED at which such mistakes will happen, the utter velocity at which factors will accumulate and lead to an accident. If you slip on the throttle and accidentally torque the c r a p out of it on a 250cc Ninja, you'll jump from 40mph to 50-60 pretty quick, and it'll scare ya. On my F4i, if I hit a bump in the road (like I did my first week) and accidentally lean on the throttle, I will go from 40-80 in the space of time it takes to realize what happened. The bike is simply that much less forgiving. It is VERY easy on my F4i, which is arguably the tamest of the sportsbikes you could buy in the 600cc class, to override your abilities.

So, I will repeat what I said above, and pray that it sinks in:

When choosing a ride, make sure to choose one on which you are comfortable assuming responsibility for your own safety.

So long as you follow that advice, I have no doubt you'll be ok. Ride safely first and foremost, and remember that reducing the risks doesn't end when you choose a bike that fits you.
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#66 Unread post by NuRida »

[quote="-Holiday"]why not take your local MSF course then decide from there? At that point you'll at least know what you're up against, and be able to better guage whats going to work for you.
If you're intent on getting a 500cc or higher bike, at least take the course so you have some background to go on first.

That would be my two cents in your situation.



ok, i forgot to mention , i have taken the course.....and got bored of the 250ccs in like 5 minutes, i even rode some 500cc (buell blasts) and felt the same....

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#67 Unread post by NuRida »

Psycluded wrote: So, I will repeat what I said above, and pray that it sinks in:

When choosing a ride, make sure to choose one on which you are comfortable assuming responsibility for your own safety.

So long as you follow that advice, I have no doubt you'll be ok. Ride safely first and foremost, and remember that reducing the risks doesn't end when you choose a bike that fits you.
thats the best thing i have heard in a while, and i realized that in the beggining, and what ive been trying to say....but ya, good advice, thanks

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#68 Unread post by isnowbrd »

This is an interesting thread. Since Nurida started it, I want to talk directly to him. First of all, you are one of the better N6oobs* that I have seen on this site. You seem like you really are trying to draw on the experiences of others to see how it can benefit yourself. But listening to one or two very vocal people isn't a good way to get the best advice. To help you out, I started another thread with a poll that I think you should keep an eye on. Whatever you decide to get for your first bike, I hope you stick around and post your personal experiences for the benefit of others in the future.
I would also like to ask everyone else to participate in the poll so as to help out the many new riders asking the same question as Nurida.
Click here to go to the new poll

*N6oobs = New riders asking about a 600cc sportbike.
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#69 Unread post by Slap-Bassist531 »

NuRida wrote:for sure man..., well its nice to hear someone agrees with me anyways. im pretty mature and safe in all regards, and i know some people shouldnt be allowed to drive cars, never mind bikes!!! so why dont people yell at them to start on a '75 civic before buying a mustang? etc, same "crumb" i think, if i started to learn on a ferrari i still think i would have been fine, its all in your head i think anyways, and i know how to control machines....obviously i will have to take it easy for the first bit, but i think i can handle it, peace bud.
But see my friend you say all this stuff "Oh I'm responsible I won't do that!!" Well basically thats bullshit. Period. You cannot say that because I'm sure you've sped and the more you do it the more you're going to do it because you start to think you won't really get caught my friend. Also when you say you're responsible, I'm 200% positive that one day you'll just get a wild hair and probably do some stupid "poo poo". I'm sure almost everyone has..... So trust me man don't give all this bullshit how you don't think a small bike like a 250 or a 500 are too small for you, because that, using the word I've used before, is also bullshit! I still have a 1974 old Honda Mini Trail 70cc that has about 3-4 lb.s of torque but it could still toat me and my dad around and I weighed about 100 and my dad weighs about 180 and It got us going fine and easy n still pulled up until about 40 mph and now I've gone onto bigger bikes, but enough about me.

So lets say you get the Kawasaki Ninja 250, I would say that is a great choice even if you chose the 500! They have enough power to get you where you need to go and they can get you to the right speed pretty easily (saying ur driving legally and not going 100 mph on the turnpike or highway etc.) But see my friend, what me and many other people on these forums are trying to teach people is that looks of a bike aren't everything! I'm telling you sure the CBR600 and the YZF 600 looks real nice but they are too and powerfu for you're level! Sure I know someone agreed with you. Big deal thats one guy (I'm not dissing that guy he has his own opinion I just don't quite approve of it)Because, bro, the CBR and the Yamaha's are fine tuned so one little twich of the wrist or if you sneeze, you're basically screwed because those bikes arent very forgiving at all.... If you decide to get a 600cc bike get a cruiser it would be alot better, and if you're thinking I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but I'm just trying to get the facts into your head man..... And I'm off so kudos my friends!
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#70 Unread post by Dennis27 »

If you decide to get a 600cc bike get a cruiser it would be alot better, and if you're thinking I'm not trying to sound like a jerk but I'm just trying to get the facts into your head man..... And I'm off so kudos my friends![/quote]

My friend man dude bro a lot is two words.... a lot :banging:

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