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There are a lot of IF's out there, but one thing there is not is an accidental discharge. There is no such thing, that gun is only going to go off if you make it fire. And as far as never needing it, well that is not true for everybody. Wouldn't it be great if this were a perfect world and there were no criminals and we would never have to lock our doors. Well let me pull everybody back down to Earth, this is not a perfect world. And not all people are nice, some people will kill you whether you give up the cash or not. So all of you that want to put your faith in the police making it in time to save your life when somebody wants to take it, well, good on you. But me personally, I know I will make it home to my family every night. For all of you unwilling to protect yourselves, keep your fingers crossed and remember to beg for your life when the evil wants to take it.

Joe Mc wrote:I actually don't carry a spare tire either.

I guess it's just different society. No one carries guns here except police and criminals, so the saying goes.

Gee, I had spent first half of my life in Communist Russia and we had the same gun laws as you in B.C. I didn't really care about guns back then, but when the rubbers came to my relative’s apartment by some reason they did not allow him to call the police. Bad, bad - they were so unfriendly...

Nobody makes you to keep the gun here (in US). I do, my neighbor does not. But the good thing is - criminals do not know who will meet them with .357 MAG and they do not bother to come. So, it looks like my gun without any shots made protects both families - my neighbor’s and mine...

mustangski wrote:For all of you unwilling to protect yourselves, keep your fingers crossed and remember to beg for your life when the evil wants to take it.

Oookay then. I think it's possible that you and I share an entirely different outlook on things. Oddly enough I'm trying to recall the last time evil wanted to take my life but I'm drawing a blank. I'll try to remember to beg for my life if it comes up though.

Oh, and I'm plenty willing to protect myself and I'm happy to report a 100% success rate thus far despite the lack of a concealed fiream.

cb360 wrote:

ZooTech wrote: How many horror stories have you heard on the news that started with, "This is such a quiet, peaceful little town...we just never thought something like that could happen here"?

Not enough that I feel any need to walk around with a gun in my pocket. I might as well walk around with a scalpel in case I need a tracheotomy. I'm just as likely to need one of those as I am a gun. If you're willing to resort to violence to get the pittance in my wallet, you can have it. Everyone says, 'don't show the gun unless you are prepared to use it.' Well, I'm not prepared to shoot anyone over ten bucks. Or a hundred or a thousand. Whatever that makes me is what I am I suppose. Not all of them mind you, but most situations that put you in danger like that could be avoided by using the old brain a little more. For my first forty years at least, being armed would have been a complete waste of time. Those stories would probably start the same way anyway, it just might be a different person getting shot. The reporter would still go for the 'violence in a small town' angle. Then they'd find a similar situation in another state and pretty soon we'd have 'a nationwide epidemic'.

would you be able to use the scaple to give your self the tracheotomy? if not then its no use and not comparable to having a gun(with the will to use it).

as for the idea of just giving in and handing everything over if someone wants it. what happens when they want to kill you as well? do you just lay down and assume the position for them as violence isnt worth resorting to?

im certainly not saying you or anyone else should carry a gun, but to dismiss the idea of having it as useless is absurd. might as well not lock your doors either or windows i mean if someone is willing to break in violently you should give them your stuff right?

that being said, if i ever see you on the street i will take your wallet and bike with no worries of you putting up a fight.

We don't lock our doors and windows... we don't need to. There aren't people armed with handguns running around.

Tell me honestly, with todays "terrorism" problems how long to do you think your constitutional right to bare arms is going to last? First your concealed weapons permits get tougher to obtain and have more restrictions, Zootech has already mentioned this.

Then all of a sudden concealed weapons won't be allowed.

If you're any part of the whole "Bush let 9-11 happen" conspiracy then you have to expect this is going to happen sooner or later. I've noticed that the civil liberties of Americans seem to be slowly dissapearing. Of course I could be wrong, who knows?

Sevulturus wrote:We don't lock our doors and windows... we don't need to. There aren't people armed with handguns running around.

Tell me honestly, with todays "terrorism" problems how long to do you think your constitutional right to bare arms is going to last? First your concealed weapons permits get tougher to obtain and have more restrictions, Zootech has already mentioned this.

Then all of a sudden concealed weapons won't be allowed.

If you're any part of the whole "Bush let 9-11 happen" conspiracy then you have to expect this is going to happen sooner or later. I've noticed that the civil liberties of Americans seem to be slowly dissapearing. Of course I could be wrong, who knows?

you live in a different world if you can go without locking your doors and windows. all it takes is one criminal to decide and go around your neighborhood. or worse a serial killer, just because it hasnt happend in your area dont think it never will. however if you lived in an area where burglaries happened nightly and often turn violent your attitude would most likely change very fast.

im tempted to take a uhaul to canada now and ride back with it full of peoples stuff if you cant be bothered to lock your doors you dont deserve your stuff.

as far as gun laws go things are getting better in some places. in florida you can brandish your weapon if you feel threatned by someone and legally shoot them. they only have to pose a threat to you. someone correct me if im wrong on those laws its what ive herd. here where i am you need no permit to open carry. the concealed permit is an easy class you take and pay the fee no big deal there. like i said before i like living in the wild west, gun contol is least likely to happen here.

Lets play a game, how many murders in Arizonas capitol so far this year?

Edmonton has had 17, almost all were gang related and didn't involve non-gang members.

You look at it as locking the world out, we look at it as locking ourselves in. And I'd feel sorry for you when, not IF the cops catch you.

Sevulturus wrote:Lets play a game, how many murders in Arizonas capitol so far this year?

Edmonton has had 17, almost all were gang related and didn't involve non-gang members.

You look at it as locking the world out, we look at it as locking ourselves in. And I'd feel sorry for you when, not IF the cops catch you.

well im not going to argue this, phoenix is Very bad with crime, gang related and other wise. you live in a very safe area it sounds so you simple do not know what its like on the other side of things so you never will understand the world is not safe like you seem to think it is.

my GF's sister lived in a semi decent area, they had an upstairs window left opened at night(it was hot). someone climbed up to the second floor some how and got in the window, her kids were in the bedroom next to it. luckly one of the kids herd something and ran downstairs to wake her mother up(who had a gun). the guy herd the mother screaming she had a gun he came down the stairs and saw her then took back off out the window he came in. he stole one of the kids blankets leading everyone to beleive he was a sick child molestor. had she not had that gun or had the kid not made it down stairs in time i dont want to think what would have happened to those little girls.

its not uncommon for people to break in and kill you over no thing. recently an elderly woman was killed(with a knife) in their own house the only thing the person stole was some jewelry.

right now there is a serial rapist who has been going around using sliding glass doors(likely unlocked) to gain access and victimize women.

recently a guy was pumping gas left his truck running while he went inside to pay thinking noone would steal it in the day light at a busy gas station. well someone stole it and ran onto the airport causing all kinds of mayhem.

i could go on but youll never see the point anyways so it doesnt matter.

one day youll likely be the victim of someone and it will be your own fault for not protecting yourself. 'we dont want to lock ourselfs in' is BS. takes you a second to unlock your door to leave, but that lock can save you from anyone coming from the outside. sounds like lazyness to me if you cant be bothered to lock/unlock a door.

wannadie, whilst I understand your thoughts, if everyone can carry a concealed weapon, the bad guys can too.Rather than having the complications of carrying a gun around with them where they're outlawed, they blend in.

Guns are heavy and will get noticed by the police, which makes it more likely that if they're outlawed, they'd break into homes with only a knife. Whilst a knife is still a dangerous weapon, it adds distance and fear into a standoff, making it more likely for the intruder to backdown and leave without harming people. It also would get rid of a lot of crims who wouldn't break into a house with anything less than a gun.

Getting rid of concealed carry laws would help the police do their job, and cause less people to be hurt IMHO

As far as locking your door goes... if they want in, they'll get in regardless

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