what should i buy?

[VermilionX]

If your only planning on track days than a 2 piece suit with a full circumference zipper should be fine. Upside to that is you can use it on the street too

i already have my current gear for street riding.

so that's why i want a 1pc for "special rides."



that one really looks good and i bet i'll look good on it too.

[VermilionX]

Until you can get to 45 degrees you don't need a cornering school. Something tells me you haven't made it past 80 degrees yet.

i just figured i'd be better off learning from a pro rather than experimenting on my own.

but if i can't find a school that is not track based then i have no choice but to practice on my own.

[Sev]

All they're going to tell you is this

1) keep your knees presssed into the tank
2) look around the corner
3) push out the inside hand
2) look around the corner

[VermilionX]

All they're going to tell you is this

1) keep your knees presssed into the tank
2) look around the corner
3) push out the inside hand
2) look around the corner

i have a feeling there's more to it than that.

and isn't 45º too much w/o knee sliders?



that is 45º on the last pic, right?

and accdg to that diagram... that last pic is best way.

[Sev]

Ergh, wrote that wrong, he doesn't need to put a knee down there.

And if you look at where he is in relation to the bike, he's hanging off the side, and the center of balance is inside the centerline of his bike.

[VermilionX]

Ergh, wrote that wrong, he doesn't need to put a knee down there.

And if you look at where he is in relation to the bike, he's hanging off the side, and the center of balance is inside the centerline of his bike.

which pic are you talking about? the 2nd?

im only interested in the last pic since that's the best way to handle corners accdg to that diagram.

and on the last pic, the knees are defintely dragging on a 45º angle.

[Sev]

No, I mean the last one, the second pic is the stupid way to do it. He is foricing his bike to excessive lean angles because he is shifting his weight out of the turn. Which is a good way to lowside if you drag a peg. If you drag a peg then you need to lean into the turn to straighten your bike out a bit. But you can safely take your bike to about 45degrees in most cases without hanging off the side like he is doing so in the last picture. I think you ahve pretty unrealistic expectations on how fast you're going to learn to corner like that.

You really need to work your way through the basics first. And that means knees tight to the tank, chin up and looking around the corner. Focus carefully on countersteering and you'll do fine. After you can at least tackle that road you were talking about with confidence I'd say you'd be ready to try a track day or to look for cornering schools.

[VermilionX]

No, I mean the last one, the second pic is the stupid way to do it. He is foricing his bike to excessive lean angles because he is shifting his weight out of the turn. Which is a good way to lowside if you drag a peg. If you drag a peg then you need to lean into the turn to straighten your bike out a bit. But you can safely take your bike to about 45degrees in most cases without hanging off the side like he is doing so in the last picture. I think you ahve pretty unrealistic expectations on how fast you're going to learn to corner like that.

You really need to work your way through the basics first. And that means knees tight to the tank, chin up and looking around the corner. Focus carefully on countersteering and you'll do fine. After you can at least tackle that road you were talking about with confidence I'd say you'd be ready to try a track day or to look for cornering schools.

you know... that twisty i took last 2 weekends seems harder to manuever than race tracks.

downhill, 1 lane each direction, sharp hairpins, blind corners, chance of falling off the cliff, add to that the oncoming and ongoing traffic and that's lots of recipe for trouble.

anyway, i don't intend to go crazy on it. i just don't wanna be stuck riding it by the posted speed limit which i assume is meant for SUVs, Vans, pickup trucks and other bigger vehicles.

[Sev]

This isn't personal experience speaking, but rather the advice of my uncle who has told me the following (he rides a goldwing). In Canada he can take a corner at 30-40 over the posted limit. In America he'll typically go the posted limit. Because the limits there are pretty close to as fast as he will take it anyways. Most places they're pretty close to the max safe speed on the really twisty roads.

Could be totally wrong though.

[VermilionX]

This isn't personal experience speaking, but rather the advice of my uncle who has told me the following (he rides a goldwing). In Canada he can take a corner at 30-40 over the posted limit. In America he'll typically go the posted limit. Because the limits there are pretty close to as fast as he will take it anyways. Most places they're pretty close to the max safe speed on the really twisty roads.

Could be totally wrong though.

i know for sure that it's not the max safe speed limit for that particular twisty (provided of course that there's no road hazards, idiot drivers wandering over your lane from the opposite direction, etc.)

the other riders are taking them above the limit.

here in CA, most speed limits i noticed are very low compared to how you can take them. but i guess they put the speed limit considering non-agile vehicles.

oh well, i'll go there probably this wednesday on my own. hopefully it doesn't rain, it's not busy over there, i don't get into an accident and i don't get lost.

sometimes i doubt why i wanna practice there. but then i think, if i can manage this difficult road then i'll be so much better on other roads.