Question about 1000cc or very powerful bikes as starters

[fireguzzi]

Haha.

I love the connection between the gun and a bike.

But it does hold. If you've never shot a gun before, you don't want to go out and shoot a .357, because it will scare the "poo poo" out of you, and you probably won't even hit the target at all. I spent a long time shooting .22s, 9mms, .35s, etc., and even then when the first time I shot my buddies .357, I jumped the first time I fired it. If that was the first gun I had shot, I probably would've pissed myself.

Here ya go, a manly man gun, a lot more recoil then a .357.....i guess, i never shot one.link

and this is my gun link2

sorry, the thread was getting back on topic.
And we cant have that now can we?

[StyleZ]

No I actually meant they suggest you start out on a pedal bike: mongoose, huffy, etc...

[swatter555]

It isn't significant to a person's ability to ride (or learn to ride) a motorcycle.

It is a learned skill, as you said. If you are learning about how to operate a clutch while learning to ride a MC, then your chances of screwing up go way up. The first time they run into a panic situation, the clutch pops out and they wheelie into the obstacle they were trying to avoid.

To me, understanding how a clutch works before you get on a bike is a big advantage. Understanding and having experience with a clutch is invaluable in real life situations. You have newb A who have driven a manual car for years. You have newb B who has not. Newb A understands how to get moving on steep hills with people honking behind you. Newb B kills it ten times and rolls backwards dropping their bike. A friend of my did this.

Some people pick it up fast, others are hopeless. To me its a big pre-req before even putting you leg over a bike.

"good attitude"... yeah, true, fluff though... people should always have a "good attitude" as they learn new skills.

You try and counter the argument with a meaningless statement. "You should always have a good attitude", that is the meaningless fluff statement to me.

Not having a "devil may care" attitude about riding is the difference between a safe rider and ground hamburger. This bullet proof attitude is a prime reason why so many young guys on sportbikes kill themselves.

"Self control" .... irrelevant...

I have no idea what the hell the rest of your argument was. Maybe you should ride a fast bike before you say self control is irrelevant. If I recall correctly, you ride a 20 hp 70s clunker. I can see why you think self control isnt needed.

If you have even ridden a bike with over 100bhp, then you might realize that self control is the key to continued existense.

I asked for an intellegent reply and you actually did worse the second time.

[dieziege]

I have a Yamaha XS1100.... 70s clunker is right, but it pushes more like 95HP. I also have an '06 EX250, which is an 80s clunker that pushes closer to 30HP. Both are fun. I haven't crashed either.

So much for your memory.

As for self control... I see I was being too abstract for you... self control isn't the problem. Self control may be necessary, but the problem is that even if you control your impulses, you may make a "finger twitch" mistake that takes you down.

[dieziege]

No I actually meant they suggest you start out on a pedal bike: mongoose, huffy, etc...

Yes, that is very good advice actually.

I learned to ride a bicycle before I tried riding a motorcycle and can honestly say that it helped me quite a bit. If you have never ridden a pedal bike, you should NOT get a motorcycle.

Of course I was probably 6 at the time.

[Jamers!]

No I actually meant they suggest you start out on a pedal bike: mongoose, huffy, etc...

Yes, that is very good advice actually.

I learned to ride a bicycle before I tried riding a motorcycle and can honestly say that it helped me quite a bit. If you have never ridden a pedal bike, you should NOT get a motorcycle.

Of course I was probably 6 at the time.

in these 4 months that ive been bikeless ive ridden my pedal bike a lot, doing some major leans, and goofin off, helps with balance maybe, and yesterday while going 25 or so i tryed to countersteer. . . heh not so smart



JWF

[camthepyro]

fireguzzi
PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject:
camthepyro wrote:
Haha.

I love the connection between the gun and a bike.

But it does hold. If you've never shot a gun before, you don't want to go out and shoot a .357, because it will scare the "poo poo" out of you, and you probably won't even hit the target at all. I spent a long time shooting .22s, 9mms, .35s, etc., and even then when the first time I shot my buddies .357, I jumped the first time I fired it. If that was the first gun I had shot, I probably would've pissed myself.


Here ya go, a manly man gun, a lot more recoil then a .357.....i guess, i never shot one.link

and this is my gun link2

sorry, the thread was getting back on topic.
And we cant have that now can we?

I saw that first one at a gun show, it's freaking huge.

[ofblong]

ok back on topic back to the guy talking about driving a ferrari compared to a cadillac or whatever.

How about http://sybarites.org/2006/02/24/photos- ... nzo-crash/ for what will happen to a ferrari at over 120mph (lots of speculation but people seem to think it was going 200mph).

after viewing those photos think what would happen to a bike going half of 200 or 100 mph. now realize the guy who was driving walked away with very minor injuries.

[flynrider]

Somebody said starting on a 1000cc bike was like learning to fly in a fighter jet. The ONLY problem I see with info like that is it's like you're assuming you plan on going at fighter jet speeds. Every speedometer starts at 0, that's universal. The rider and the rider alone is the one that gets it to fighter jet speeds.

I saw this post from yesterday and I think it's quite applicable to the question at hand.

When you learn to fly, you start out in a small 2 or 4 seat airplane that is relatively slow,with slow control response which makes it forgiving of beginner's mistakes (all beginners, riders or pilots, make mistakes). The fighter jet and the sportbike do not have these qualities and are much less forgiving of mistakes. Speed is not what matters. Both the jet and the sportbike demand that the rider/pilot be able to react smoothly and instinctively on the controls, no matter what the speed.

In some ways riding is like flying. When you start out, you have a choice of what you want to learn in. The difference in flying is that it would be next to impossible to find an instructor (or an insurance company) that would allow you learn in a high performance jet or a P-51 racer. The risks that a beginner mistake will turn you into a smoking hole in the ground are too great. Instead, you have to chose a plane that is more appropriate to the task of training.

If you walked into a flight school and asked to learn to fly on their Lear, they'd laugh you out of the building. For some reason, in motorcycling people think that learning on what is essentially a street-legal race bike is a good idea. Go figure!

[StyleZ]

flynrider, good response and good info. See I can appreciate that.

I guess my whole point is it's not impossible to learn on a big bike. May be harder, more challenging rather but it can be done.