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Slap-Bassist531 wrote:the CBR and the Yamaha's are fine tuned so one little twich of the wrist or if you sneeze, you're basically screwed because those bikes arent very forgiving at all

Glad to know tens-of-thousands of hours of track testing, fine tuning, R&D, and CAD drawing resulted in a bike so fricking unstable that a sneeze will kill you...

The bike is light, quick, and nimble...with a weak bottom end. The powerband (which is way up on the tach) will be waiting for him once he's learned to balance and ride the bike. You are jumping on the guy like he's ditched you in line or something! Let him learn on his 600, who cares? It is probably more bike than you could have handled based on the level of intelligence displayed in your writing, but how do you know (and why do you care) that it's too much for him? Engine aside, the chassis has the same great beginner bike features as the Ninja 250...it handles well, it's light, it has a short wheelbase, it has grippy tires, and it has excellent brakes. So the only point of contention here is the engine. Some of you folks on here seem to think he's gonna "unleash the beast" on day one. So what? He says he won't, so leave it alone. If he does he'll learn more in the ten seconds proceeding that error in judgement than he ever will reading these posts.

zootech wrote:

Slap-Bassist531 wrote:the CBR and the Yamaha's are fine tuned so one little twich of the wrist or if you sneeze, you're basically screwed because those bikes arent very forgiving at all

Glad to know tens-of-thousands of hours of track testing, fine tuning, R&D, and CAD drawing resulted in a bike so fricking unstable that a sneeze will kill you...

The bike is light, quick, and nimble...with a weak bottom end. The powerband (which is way up on the tach) will be waiting for him once he's learned to balance and ride the bike. You are jumping on the guy like he's ditched you in line or something! Let him learn on his 600, who cares? It is probably more bike than you could have handled based on the level of intelligence displayed in your writing, but how do you know (and why do you care) that it's too much for him? Engine aside, the chassis has the same great beginner bike features as the Ninja 250...it handles well, it's light, it has a short wheelbase, it has grippy tires, and it has excellent brakes. So the only point of contention here is the engine. Some of you folks on here seem to think he's gonna "unleash the beast" on day one. So what? He says he won't, so leave it alone. If he does he'll learn more in the ten seconds proceeding that error in judgement than he ever will reading these posts.

fair enough

Slap-Bassist531 wrote:

NuRida wrote:
But see my friend you say all this stuff "Oh I'm responsible I won't do that!!" Well basically thats bullshit. Period. You cannot say that because I'm sure you've sped and the more you do it the more you're going to do it because you start to think you won't really get caught my friend. Also when you say you're responsible, I'm 200% positive that one day you'll just get a wild hair and probably do some stupid "poo poo". I'm sure almost everyone has.....

listen buddy, you dont know me so STFU, and guess what, i have 0 speeding tickets, not thats its any of your business. so back off, and im sure i have more mechanical apptitude then you, so dont tell me what im capable of controlling, if your going to give advice thats one thing, but dont tell me im BSing, because you have no idea what kind of driver i am, later

zootech wrote:

Slap-Bassist531 wrote: Engine aside, the chassis has the same great beginner bike features as the Ninja 250...it handles well, it's light, it has a short wheelbase, it has grippy tires, and it has excellent brakes. So the only point of contention here is the engine. Some of you folks on here seem to think he's gonna "unleash the beast" on day one. So what? He says he won't, so leave it alone. If he does he'll learn more in the ten seconds proceeding that error in judgement than he ever will reading these posts.

well said bud, thx

I have 0 speeding tickets too... but I think it's more luck than obeying the limits. Actually I'm positive it's luck.

Anyway, someone already said take the MSF and start riding. I think of all the stuff said here, that's probably the best. We can talk and argue back and forth but it means nothing in the end.

So if it was me, I'd push this thread to the back of my mind, take the course, and then upon completion decide for myself what size range to look for.

That's what I did before I knew this forum existed, so as long as you base it on what you truly feel you can handle and not just on preconceived notions, you should do alright.

Mag7C wrote:I
Anyway, someone already said take the MSF and start riding. I think of all the stuff said here, that's probably the best. We can talk and argue back and forth but it means nothing in the end.

So if it was me, I'd push this thread to the back of my mind, take the course, and then upon completion decide for myself what size range to look for.

That's what I did before I knew this forum existed, so as long as you base it on what you truly feel you can handle and not just on preconceived notions, you should do alright.

like i said before,yesi have taken the course....and i have ridden some 250 and 500cc during it....the 250 didnt appeal to me, and the 500 werent much better, so i dunno, maybe a 500 would be a better idea, but i think i can do the 600, take it easy

Kal wrote:I've mentioned all of the above mostly because I want to ask you one question.
What do you want out of your first motorcyle?

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fair question....i really dont care how i look on my first moto, im not thinkg about a 600cc cuz it looks cool, lemme get that straight right now, i want something i will enjoy for at least a few years, and not get bored/outgrow a bike in a few months, thats all.....thats why i suggested a 600 cuz i know i will keep it for a while, as well , what do you think about the suzuki SV650??? im also checking into them , i just want something that i will enjoy and be safe on for years to come....thanks bro


(holy....this post has reached 6 pages...longest ive seen, hehehe, do i get a prize for starting a good debate? heheh....)
p.s. this is an awsome forum...best ive seen in a while..

NuRida,

The SV 650 is on the list of beginner bikes. It's at the high end power wise of what we might recommend for beginner bikes though. It's a bike that has garnered many awards for "best bang for the buck" and people who own them love them.

They have more than enough power to keep you happy. (I feel sorry for any muscle cars who think they have a chance)

It's certainly no Hayabusa, but the same level of respect is deffinitely required. If you like the SV 650 (standard - upright seating position) or the SV 650 S (the one with the fairing - more sport oriented.) I say go for it.

I currently have a YZF600 and I wouldnt suggest it as a first bike.