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Open your eyes
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:54 pm
by Kal
You are right it can be done however statisticly new riders are most likely to have an accident and statisitcally on a supersports its likely to be a lot worse than on an entry level machine
Why do you think that insurance for a new rider on a supersports is so much more expensive than for a rider who has a couple of years on another machine under his/her belt?
You are going to have enough to learn about how bikes handle in different conditions, car 'body language' and a 101 other things that a successful rider needs to have as skills. Why would you compound that with the twichy throttle responce, twitchy brakes and unstable handling of a racing machine?
Privateers buy supersprts bikes strip the lights off, make a coulpe of very minor modifactions and then run these bikes in REAL races.
Supersports, whether 600 or 1000, are designed to race with bolt on parts to make them road legal.
When Yamaha released the new R6 Two Wheels Only time trialed it against the R1 to see how much slower round a track it was. Thing is the R6 actually beat the R1 by a clear second. 600's are not lesser race machines, so if you are going to buy a 600 you might as well go the whole hog and get the thou, its no less dangerous.
I'm not condoning the purchase of a thou as a first bike, I am saying that if you get the 600 because its a lesser bike you are fooling yourself and a supersports is no place to be if you don't have your eyes open.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 1:55 pm
by camthepyro
Nobody ever said it was impossible. All anybody has said was that it's alot riskier.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:03 pm
by DirtyD86
i agree, most people on this forum are beyond conservative. all im gonna say, is that i just got my first bike about a month ago. it is a 250, and i have wrecked/dropped it 3 times. you can draw your own conclusions. you can call me a newbie/idiot/moron what have you, but keep in mind, im a newbie/idiot/moron learning on a 250. which is a whole hell of a lot better than a newbie/idiot/moron learning on a 600 supersport
one thing i can guarantee, is that if this is your first bike, you will drop it. and when you drop something you just spent 7500 bucks on, youre going to hate yourself forever.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 2:41 pm
by StyleZ
I in no way direct this to you, but a newbie/idiot/moron is gonna be a newbie/idiot/moron on whatever bike they get so in that sense it's irrelevant.
Some people just take longer to learn and need to start out slower. Me, I'm a fast learner, but so is everybody else (says they are rather) that made a topic like this which is the reason I didn't say that as of yet and won't go any further on that.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:06 pm
by BigChickenStrips
I in no way direct this to you, but a newbie/idiot/moron is gonna be a newbie/idiot/moron on whatever bike they get
yes, on a 250 being a newbie/idiot/moron will make you dump the bike and crack a turn signal and bend a shift pedal.
being a newbie/idiot/moron on a RR bike will make you a long red streak on the road.
[HandsomeRyan at this point is only flaming to watch his post count go up]
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:12 pm
by Kal
Can you learn fast enough to do the right thing first time everytime.
Let me put it another way as you don't really seem to be reading what I am writing.
You will "fudge" up. No one and I mean no one rides perfectly all the time from day one. So you will "fudge" up.
When you "fudge" up the difference between being on a 250 and a supersports can easily mean the difference between having a laugh with your friends about 'seat pucker' and some serious crash damage.
You've not really read any of my other posts to you. So I ask you again, how lucky are you feeling?
And, as I don't think anyone else has asked, why do you want a ZX6R?
As I said, if you are feeling lucky enough to ride the ZX6R (160mph silly horsepower race machine) you are lucky enough to ride the full litre (180mph silly horsepower race machine) because in terms of pratical safety there is no difference.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:40 pm
by StyleZ
Kal
Can I learn fast enough to do the right thing every time? Not a question I can answer, to be realistic probably not. However it depends on what I'm learning. Do I in general move slow enough so I'm at a comfortable pace? Yes.
I'm not in my 17,18, 19 yr old mentality where I feel the need to go racing down the highway. As I said in my first post or so. Whichever bike I get will not see ANYTHING other then the MSF parking lot I live across the street from for a long time. I'm in no race and have too much to live for. Back to your questions...
How lucky do I feel? None at all. I had a car accident that I should be dead from right now (accident wasn't my fault at all, drunk driver). I would like to say my reaction time / not panicing saved me which it may have but in my book it was god. When you have a near death experience and learn from it that situation changes you. I was lucky to walk away from that unscratched and I was cautious before that. It reminded me however of the importance of life and how tomorrow isn't promised. I was careful before but I'm even more careful now. Most people have the untouchable feeling because they never went through anythng. I know what an accident feels like. I'm not superman. Luck has nothing to do with it.
Why do I want a ZX6R? The same reason I wanted a G35 coupe since the moment I laided eyes on it. It fit my style / me, I liked it, and it was obtainable. It's more behind it then that, but those are the basics. It's not about racing or inspired by friends. I just move to FL not too long ago. Don't know a single person that rides a motorcycle here and very few back in NY. My decisions are 100% inspiried by me. Wanted a bike since I could remember.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:45 pm
by Sev
"I want to look cool on a cool bike."
And you will... until you drop it and you're riding what used to be a cool looking bike that now looks like crap, or requires very expensive replacements.
I think a person who can ride a ninja500 really well looks way cooler then the obvious newb wobbling around on the 600. And I have a lot more respect for the guy who admits he's trying to learn on the cheap bike then the guy who bought a 600 because he thinks it looks cool.
In fact I'd call someone who bought a bike just because, "it looks cool" A poser.
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:51 pm
by StyleZ
Dunno who said they wanted to look cool on a bike in this thread.... Kno it wasn't me. If anything I make the bike look cool.....
Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 3:55 pm
by camthepyro
I don't think you're really listening to what we're all saying. It really has nothing to do with what your intentions of not going fast are. It has to do with simple human errors that you can't control yet.