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In my experience (not with motorcycles obviously) it's probably a few things.

It's the difference between your girlfriend, fiance, wife watching you do your favorite activitiy and actually DOING it.

I think deep down most women that have a real commitment with their man really want to take part in whatever their significant other is doing. Most of my ex's could not play video games for the life of them, but the ones that cared would watch me play video games because they knew I enjoyed them so much.

Now if I was playing a game and I was playing it with a girl ONLINE and she knew lots of gaming trivia and odd factoids oh yeah it' s gonna make the onlooker very jealous. They feel you have much more of a bond with them.

So basically you riding is one step above them just being somewhat of an "onlooker". You can talk the talk and chat the chat and a lot of women become insecure about that, especially if you are attractive as you say you are that just makes it worse.

Personally for me, I like powerful older women, that's why I'm very happy with my fiance. She doesn't ride motorcycles but she has a commanding and powerful presence and is very beautiful and successful. But when she's with me she has this soft lilting voice and we do very goofy things.

It's like having a Tiger and a Kitten at the same time

You're like the Ghost in the Shell/Tom Boy that I think most men want.

I just hope you don't let anyone else's nasty stares or envious glares phase you. Theres a shortage of women out there like you!

(Edit: Spelling Ugh I just woke up)

Brackstone wrote:...I think deep down most women that have a real commitment with their man really want to take part in whatever their significant other is doing...

...Most of my ex's could not play video games for the life of them, but the ones that cared would watch me play video games because they knew I enjoyed them so much...

I can't help but pick up on both of these comments. I've been married for almost 20 years (lived with my husband for 2 1/2 years before we got married) - I care very deeply about him, and judging from how many years I've been with him, I think it's safe to say that I also have a real commitment. That doesn't mean that I want to do every single thing with him. And I can't think of a worse activity FOR ME than watching him play his video games - but you're saying that would mean that I don't really care about him?!?! Unbelievable. You seem to have a very immature and self-centered notion of love and commitment.

My husband has the freedom to partake in things that he enjoys, and I also have that freedom. And then there are lots of things we enjoy doing together. Not every relationship fits into your pigeon hole. It's great for you that your fiancé enjoys watching (or participating with) you while you play video games, but you can't say that I don't have a real commitment to my marriage just because I don't do the same thing.

Loonette

Loonette wrote:

Brackstone wrote:...I think deep down most women that have a real commitment with their man really want to take part in whatever their significant other is doing...

...Most of my ex's could not play video games for the life of them, but the ones that cared would watch me play video games because they knew I enjoyed them so much...

I can't help but pick up on both of these comments. I've been married for almost 20 years (lived with my husband for 2 1/2 years before we got married) - I care very deeply about him, and judging from how many years I've been with him, I think it's safe to say that I also have a real commitment. That doesn't mean that I want to do every single thing with him. And I can't think of a worse activity FOR ME than watching him play his video games - but you're saying that would mean that I don't really care about him?!?! Unbelievable.

Loonette

I'm just sharing my personal experience, I also said MOST women not all women.

I've gone out with women that don't care about my video game habits, watch me play games, and like my current fiance` she plays them with me.

I didn't say love is impossible unless these things are achieved. I was just sharing from my past experiences. The relationships that I had last the longest were women that seemed to take a genuine interest in what I did. Could I or Would I have married a girl that didn't care about video games at all? Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have dated women like that. I actually expected to marry a women who was ambivalent to my video gaming habits.

My fiance and I didn't start dating because she had this love of video games she started liking them later. My fiance and I are actually quite opposites. She is a very down to earth pragmatic business woman and I am a very optimistic dreamer. Because of her I have become more serious and buckled down with a lot of things in life and because of me she has learned to loosen up and have fun once in a while.

If things work different for you and your husband then that's great. But please don't pass judgment on me and my view of relationships.

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Brackstone wrote:

Loonette wrote:

Brackstone wrote:...I think deep down most women that have a real commitment with their man really want to take part in whatever their significant other is doing...

...Most of my ex's could not play video games for the life of them, but the ones that cared would watch me play video games because they knew I enjoyed them so much...

I can't help but pick up on both of these comments. I've been married for almost 20 years (lived with my husband for 2 1/2 years before we got married) - I care very deeply about him, and judging from how many years I've been with him, I think it's safe to say that I also have a real commitment. That doesn't mean that I want to do every single thing with him. And I can't think of a worse activity FOR ME than watching him play his video games - but you're saying that would mean that I don't really care about him?!?! Unbelievable.

Loonette

I'm just sharing my personal experience, I also said MOST women not all women.

I've gone out with women that don't care about my video game habits, watch me play games, and like my current fiance` she plays them with me.

I didn't say love is impossible unless these things are achieved. I was just sharing from my past experiences. The relationships that I had last the longest were women that seemed to take a genuine interest in what I did. Could I or Would I have married a girl that didn't care about video games at all? Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have dated women like that. I actually expected to marry a women who was ambivalent to my video gaming habits.

My fiance and I didn't start dating because she had this love of video games she started liking them later. My fiance and I are actually quite opposites. She is a very down to earth pragmatic business woman and I am a very optimistic dreamer. Because of her I have become more serious and buckled down with a lot of things in life and because of me she has learned to loosen up and have fun once in a while.

If things work different for you and your husband then that's great. But please don't pass judgment on me and my view of relationships.

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Why not? You're passing judgment on me in my relationship with this comment...

Brackstone wrote:...I think deep down most women that have a real commitment with their man really want to take part in whatever their significant other is doing...

Your statement says a lot in judgment of women who don't "take part in whatever their significant other is doing". And does this go both ways? If your fiancé enjoys getting her nails done in a salon, yet you don't want to "take part in whatever she is doing" does that mean that you are not in a "real commitment"?

I wouldn't have even commented had you not brought in the "most women" business. I get tired of men coming to this forum, especially men who have had many failed relationships as you have admitted, and try to tell us how MOST WOMEN are. You're right - it's only your experience, and certainly doesn't represent the majority of women. You decided to generalize, and in doing so you were passing judgment.

Loonette wrote: Your statement says a lot in judgment of women who don't "take part in whatever their significant other is doing". And does this go both ways? If your fiancé enjoys getting her nails done in a salon, yet you don't want to "take part in whatever she is doing" does that mean that you are not in a "real commitment"?

I wouldn't have even commented had you not brought in the "most women" business. I get tired of men coming to this forum, especially men who have had many failed relationships as you have admitted, and try to tell us how MOST WOMEN are. You're right - it's only your experience, and certainly doesn't represent the majority of women. You decided to generalize, and in doing so you were passing judgment.

I can see we won't see eye to eye on this. I wasn't trying to make anyone mad or upset. I'll just drop the subject.

All I was trying to say was I hope women always have courage like her to pursue hobbies they want to pursue. My fiance often gets dirty looks when she starts talking about video games when other wives are around because most of them aren't supportive towards their hubbies gaming habits.

I think most women are discourage by other women when they pick up habits unusual for their gender. I'm glad to see that the OP has the courage to continue despite the contempt she earns from the same sex.

Brackstone wrote: I can see we won't see eye to eye on this. I wasn't trying to make anyone mad or upset. I'll just drop the subject.

All I was trying to say was I hope women always have courage like her to pursue hobbies they want to pursue. My fiance often gets dirty looks when she starts talking about video games when other wives are around because most of them aren't supportive towards their hubbies gaming habits.

I think most women are discourage by other women when they pick up habits unusual for their gender. I'm glad to see that the OP has the courage to continue despite the contempt she earns from the same sex.

I think most people are discouraged by society at large and other people when they do things that are unusual. "People" as a whole do not deal well with different. Individuals are usually ok or at least civil (or barely passing civil) with differences..but otherwise, forget about it. If you think men are accepting of men doing other things outside of their gender role...well - I'd like to live in your world.

I've yet to get a look from any women. In general they are very intersted in my bike and several have made comments and come up to me and ask questions. Most times when I have stopped somewhere I'll have a lady come up to me and say something like "Hi, nice bike, I ride on the back of my husbands but I am thinking of taking the bike course. Did you take it? How was it? Yaddi yaddi ya....
But most of the times women and men alike walk by and say "Nice ride" or "you go girl" LOL.

I dunno, when I see a female rider and (which is very rare) I'm still awe stuck and feel like we share some connection and I admire thier rides and wardrobe hehehe. Even when I see them riding in the back of their man I still stare, specially if the guy is a hotty Lucky floosie lol. I don't understand why there should be any hostilities between women on a bike regardless if they are in the front or back. Each in their own way are having thier own unique experience and should be glad they are one of the few that can say they been on a bike.

It's the difference between your girlfriend, fiance, wife watching you do your favorite activitiy and actually DOING it.

ok, I can see that some people just DO NOT give any respect to the passenger on the back of a bike, unbelievable how you can think a person can be on the back of a bike WATCHING you and not experiencing anything themselves . Whatever.

Each in their own way are having thier own unique experience and should be glad they are one of the few that can say they been on a bike.

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I have tremendous respect for anyone in city traffic on two wheels.
The smaller the bike, the more in awe I am. Scooter riders have guts.

Riding on the back of a bike takes even more guts (IMO) than riding your own.
I hate being on the back, I need to feel in control.

In this last year that I've been a rider, I've only gotten positive responses from men and women both.
I've never gotten a dirty look or heard negative comments.

Perhaps they were not evil looks you were receiving, but grimaces of pain from sitting on a hard as rock loaf of bread seat. I rode for a year on the back of my hubby's bike before I got my own ride. That seat was a hard deal to sit on..

Honestly, I have never noticed the evil look... but then I never looked that hard. However I have experienced a sense of commradary with those of us privledged enough to own or ride a motorcycle.. these are my peeps.. it is with whom I feel most comfortable, man or woman.

Ride on my friends, ride on.