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ZooTech wrote:Poor, silly iwannadie...you don't have to take two poodles, two german shepherds, two beagles, and two of every other kind of dog on the ark...all you need is two mutts. Man has managed to create all of the various types of dogs through genetic breeding, but they're still dogs. Same goes for all the types of frogs, toads, horses, etc. You only need two frogs...the rest will occur through time and climate differences. So suddenly the list of animals on the ark is drastically reduced from your misconception, isn't it?[/color]


I feel very strongly about Creation yet I haven't even attempted to make anyone out to be stupid or ignorant for believing in evolution. For the record I believe it takes far more faith to believe in evolution than Creation, and there is far more science behind Creation than you would probably admit to even if you saw it. The theory of evolution was man's attempt to explain his origin with God removed from the picture so that he could live his life unaccountable to an all powerful and judgemental Creator. I don't expect to convert a single person on this forum, but I sure as heck won't stand by and allow our side to go unrepresented.
so let me get this straight, you Dont beleive in evolution. yet your saying to me every different forms of each creature "changed" from only two of its original forms. how does an ordinary green toad manage to "change" into a tree frog?

thats the very basics of evolution. the frog adapts to its surrounding to survive. an ordinary green toad wont survive in africa where as a poisonous tree frog would. what you argue is not creation it IS evolution.
That is, complex creatures evolve from more simplistic ancestors naturally over time. - evolution
http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/

darwin seems to agree with you, a simple frog(or whatever animal) changes to survive in its enviorment. however your(creation) theory makes no sense to me. werent there claims they found the arc in the himalayas. lets say thats true, how does a fragile creature like a frog manage to migrate across oceans and deserts fighting off every natural enemy along its way traveling in a pair mind you long enough to populate the entire earth of its different frogs? all this you say has happened in thousands of years too which makes it even more amazing.

sounds to me like you like to take some ideas from the bible some ideas from science and put them together as you see fit to make your arguments and make every attempt to try to talk down to me for asking you questions. you seem to think i should blindly follow your theory and if i dont im an idiot. well the world is round buddy not flat.
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#92 Unread post by Toyuzu »

What happened to the Hummers? :?
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The Hummers are gassed up and waiting to be put on the next Arc.
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Toyuzu wrote:What happened to the Hummers? :?
Everyone got married........ no more hummers :cry:
No Witnesses.... :shifty:

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BuzZz wrote:
Toyuzu wrote:What happened to the Hummers? :?
Everyone got married........ no more hummers :cry:
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#96 Unread post by The549 »

A quick bit on carbon dating - that's only one way to test age. Another way that's been around for hundreds years is stratiography. You can look at the layers and the periods they represent, ie the ice age 20,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratigraphy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_t ... time_scale

If you believe God put the layers there in 7 days, I have no problems with that. Just different beliefs. As for your response to me earlier (where do we draw the line?), you have a good point, but the post contained the line drawing fallacy.

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The549 wrote:A quick bit on carbon dating - that's only one way to test age. Another way that's been around for hundreds years is stratiography. You can look at the layers and the periods they represent, ie the ice age 20,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratigraphy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_t ... time_scale

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Wow, Zoo Tech... I'm glad we have motorcycling in common...

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One thing is for certain, everyone here has a strong opinion. But man this is some laugh out loud reading. I wanna say thanks to everyone for chiming in and stirring poop. If I ever get back into Ohio,(I used to got to Southpoint I lot) I want to buy Meanstreak a beer and shake his hand. Not to many people these days hold on to (un)popular beliefs when set in a (un)popular setting. Cheers to that. You all are funny and I'm not leaving the forum, I like it here and there is much good will here in many forms. The whole arc debate in really making me laugh. It's good to laugh and poke people in the ribs, that way I don't have to take anything so seriously. I will have to get my class envy thing under control though. Pop and glide yall. David

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iwannadie wrote: so let me get this straight, you Dont beleive in evolution. yet your saying to me every different forms of each creature "changed" from only two of its original forms. how does an ordinary green toad manage to "change" into a tree frog?

thats the very basics of evolution. the frog adapts to its surrounding to survive. an ordinary green toad wont survive in africa where as a poisonous tree frog would. what you argue is not creation it IS evolution.
No, what I am saying is that no Creationist would ever deny the existence of variation. You and I do not look alike, nor do we have exactly the same physical attributes, but we are both humans. And a toad is a toad no matter how different they look. You can watch toads adapt to different environments for millions of years if you like, but in the end you still have a toad. Not one bit of intelligence is added to its genetic code. Mutations always result in the loss of information, so how did a simple one-celled critter evolve into a human being? Oh yeah...I forgot...given enough time it would, which is where the whole "millions of years" rap comes from.
iwannadie wrote:That is, complex creatures evolve from more simplistic ancestors naturally over time. - evolutionhttp://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/
Show me even one example.
iwannadie wrote: darwin seems to agree with you, a simple frog(or whatever animal) changes to survive in its enviorment. however your(creation) theory makes no sense to me. werent there claims they found the arc in the himalayas. lets say thats true, how does a fragile creature like a frog manage to migrate across oceans and deserts fighting off every natural enemy along its way traveling in a pair mind you long enough to populate the entire earth of its different frogs? all this you say has happened in thousands of years too which makes it even more amazing.
What's amazing is that you actually clicked SUBMIT after typing that last paragraph. A frog "fought off every natural enemy along the way"? You mean the natural enemies that Noah had aboard the ark? I'm sure he wouldn't go to the trouble of rescuing two of every critter only to let them loose at random to fight one another. :roll:
iwannadie wrote: sounds to me like you like to take some ideas from the bible some ideas from science and put them together as you see fit to make your arguments and make every attempt to try to talk down to me for asking you questions. you seem to think i should blindly follow your theory and if i dont im an idiot. well the world is round buddy not flat.
That's just it, Bubba, Creation is science, so I'm not "taking a bit from one and a bit from the other" and making it all fit my arguments. Everyone seems to think Christians have to rely on faith alone, without one shred of physical or scientific evidence to go on, and I'm here to tell you you're flat wrong. I have studied Creation and evolution and have come to the conclusion that the latter makes no sense whatsoever. And I see evidence for Creation all around, not to mention how the events in the Middle East are playing into prophesy like they were following a script. And I don't expect you to "blindly follow my theory", on the contrary you are the one who is blind, my friend. You follow a completely unproven theory forced upon school kids because it's the only explanation of origin that doesn't go against the misinterpreted "separation of church and state" clause.

And enough with the "world is flat" bull. If you are incapable of representing your side without trying to make me out to be some closed-minded looney than this debate is officially over, much to the chagrin of the other members I'm sure.
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