Total Motorcycle Community Forums

you guys will be surprised but i did learn a lot from here.

but i'll move on for now.

i have high hopes in the book that i bought ..."sport riding techniques" by nick ienatsch. im looking forward to learning all i can from that book.

the book will probably say some of the things you guys say but maybe i'll understand them better w/ the book.

i'll lay low for now.

thanks and sorry to those that i annoyed, i didn't mean it.

ride safe guys!

All we ever did here was care about what happens to you. You fail to see the wisdom of the many, and choose to think you will be able to control yourself. Hope you're right. You have no idea how many graves and hospitals have been filled by guys who knew they could control their bike. Also, there are many websites out there who would support your behavior. Why did you come here? It seems to me that you know this is the better way. Maybe you'll come around before you regret learning the hard way. ???

VermilionX wrote:.. the bike's only as powerful as you let it be.

in other words, it's just throttle control.

it's just about how responsible you are.

No. No. No.

From one of the stickies in our Safety forum:

But you are also entering in a contract with the bike. It is two-way. You are going to expect the bike to act on your inputs and the bike in turn is going to respond. The problem is, your skills are still developing but the bike doesn't know that. It does what it is told. You want a partner in a contract to treat you fairly. On a bike, you don't want it fighting you every step of the way. And like most contracts, the problems don't start until there is a breakdown in communication or a misunderstanding.

Go read the entire thread.

Skier wrote:[

But you are also entering in a contract with the bike. It is two-way. You are going to expect the bike to act on your inputs and the bike in turn is going to respond. The problem is, your skills are still developing but the bike doesn't know that. It does what it is told. You want a partner in a contract to treat you fairly. On a bike, you don't want it fighting you every step of the way. And like most contracts, the problems don't start until there is a breakdown in communication or a misunderstanding.

hey thats pretty good i like that.....very succinct about the riding relationship "you get exactly out of the bike what you input into it"

Oh, don't scare him off. I have been waiting patiently to see pictures like these: http://www.motorcycledisposals.com.au/B ... XR1000.htm

No I shouldn't say that. The sad truth is that no matter how responsible or careful you think you are motorcycles are very capable of jumping up and biting you firmly on the arse. I have been riding for the better part of 13 years and I still got bitten last year by a little too much throttle and cold tyres.

I know that if I tried to learn on a 170+ hp monster I would not be here to post about my experiences.

Mintbread wrote:Oh, don't scare him off. I have been waiting patiently to see pictures like these: http://www.motorcycledisposals.com.au/B ... XR1000.htm

No I shouldn't say that. The sad truth is that no matter how responsible or careful you think you are motorcycles are very capable of jumping up and biting you firmly on the arse. I have been riding for the better part of 13 years and I still got bitten last year by a little too much throttle and cold tyres.

I know that if I tried to learn on a 170+ hp monster I would not be here to post about my experiences.

thats just sad.....i mean what is that 18K for a new gixxer???? done like 700km and its junk


my bud got off his L's, sold his zzr250 and decided to grab a zzr1200, im like dood wtf r doing , about a week later i turned up on his doorstep for a look n a ride of the new beast only to find my bud on crutches. He had accidently dropped the clutch and supermaned acrossed a huge busy intersection in the city = bike written off (finished hiting a signal post) and the mate on sticks.... think he had done like 50ks on it...he nows owns a sv650 nice bike

Don't run him off! How the heck are you going to help him when he blocks you out. Ugh...

Vermilion...people here are being harsh not because they're jerks, but simply because the KNOW what can happen to you. I once thought as you do. Buy a sweet RR bike and have the time of my life. But the simple truth is that neither you nor I possess the skills to truly control a bike like the one you bought. Get something smaller and LEARN to ride, THEN get your dream bike!

Valentino Rossi didn't start on an RC211V. Heck, his first bike probably had a top speed of 30 MPH, but he learned the skills that he uses today to win MotoGP's from riding those forgiving bikes.

You say it only goes as fast as you let it? Heh, a co-worker in my office thought the same thing when he bought his GSX-R750. But a freak situation where he didn't see a fire engine coming and a twist of the wrist launched him forward. When he finally stopped sliding across the ground he was the proud owner of a $9000 piece of scrap metal and a hefty medical bill, not to mention quite a few scars.

These people are being harsh because they'd rather you be around to experience the pure joy of riding a motorcycle, not to be put in a situation where you've got alot more bike than you can handle...

I don't even own my own bike yet, I ride other people's. I just turned down a bike because it had too much power for me, and it had about 1/2 the power that your bike has. Know your limitations and know your skill limit...

I hope you come back and gain something from the knowledge that can be found on this forum. Many of these people have been riding quite a long time and what they say can keep you alive!

Best of luck...

kabob983 wrote:Don't run him off! How the heck are you going to help him when he blocks you out. Ugh...

Poor VX has been against the grain of the community since he first started posting. He's had selective hearing, not wanting to hear why his current motorcycle is little better than rolling death machine with his current riding skills. Instead of learning how to survive on the street, he wants to learn how to corner better. On his current bike, mind you, not on a forgiving bike where he could learn fundamentals.

He's already made at the very least two members of the forums frustrated because of this. He hasn't seemed to change at all and doesn't appear he's going to.

We don't mean to run him off, but c'mon now, when every single regular patron on a forum tells you "hey, you're doing something wrong, here's why, here's how to take care of it" and he ignores it: perhaps it's time for VX to find a forum filled with people who think more like he does. Perhaps Star Boyz?

I agree with what you're saying Skier, and I'll also agree that the views of most of the riders on this forum aren't for everyone, but I still think that bashing his bike terminology wasn't a good way to get a point across (c'mon, even I could figure out what he meant by SBK).

Honestly, from what I can discern though, it looks like the root of his problem comes from what he wants out of a motorcycle. It really seems like he just wants something to look cool on, hence the "cool" way to corner and the cool bike and such. If that is the case, then yeah, Starboyz may be a better place for him (that name cracks me up though. did they rip it from that flop movie Biker Boyz?). But if there was some part of him who actually wanted to learn to ride properly, we definately didn't reach it the right way (although I'll admit I didn't see it either).

Still, I think we should do all we can to keep him from becoming another statistic...

Damn this is a long thread, Verm I am going to keep telling you this on every thread that you post. GO AND GET PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. SPEND THE MONEY ON KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS. DO NOT LISTEN TO YOUR FRIENDS, DO NOT GO ON GROUP RIDES. GET A PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTER TO TAKE YOU TO THE NEXT LEVEL. DO NOT GIVE ME ANY LIP, JUST DO IT. Damn if I could reach you would smack you about the Ears.