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Cager Left Hand Turns

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:41 pm
by TheImp
We're all aware that intersections of roadways can be quite dangerous, and one thing that I hear most often from experienced riders is cagers making left hand turns while not seeing the oncoming rider approaching the intersection at the same time and creating a potential collision.

I've only been hitting the streets for a couple days now and I want to get into the habit of having good lane positioning when approaching intersections with potential left turners. From what I've gathered from an article I read on motorcyclecruiser.com is that the optimal position to be in to avoid roadside obstructions to the right and cager left turns is the left side of the right lane. That seems very logical to me (although perhaps a little bit restrictive), but my question is how often do you all do this in practice on the streets? And if you do other things to improve visibility and minimize risk, what are they? This is something I'd like hear from you all.

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:07 pm
by Mintbread
This is what was left of my VTR1000 after a car turned in front of me:

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I was going too fast and therefore left myself little to no time to react to the situation. I personally don't believe where you sit on the road makes an iota of difference as you can never rely on a cager seeing you.
Ride to the conditions and leave yourself enough room for evasive action, not if, but when a car pulls out in front of you.

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:09 pm
by Sev
Cagers are idiots

From my blog:
Sevulturus wrote:*My Second Truck Story*

Last Tuesday (Oct 25) I was headed home from school. Bopping my way through downtown Edmonton. South on 101st street because it leads right into this really nice downhill through the river valley with the most corners you'll find on any road nearby, though it's far far to short. I always go the extra distance out of my way to go down 101st rather then 105th through the traffic just because the curves are worth it.

Anyways, like I said this was downtown Edmonton, by no means San Diego, New York or any other major major hub, but it is busy, there are a lot of closepacked cages and a ton of idiot pedestrians. So as is typical of my riding style I kept it about 10 under the speed limit, meaning I was doing at MOST 40km/h through stop and go traffic.

The road South has 3 lanes, one is technically a "parking lane" and the left lane fucntions as a dual purpose driving/turning lane. I was in the middle lane out in front of traffic a little ways. As I'm moving along I notice the giant black truck up ahead and to the left is starting to pull out. He made it out 1/4 of the way stopped, I saw him look back and he didn't move. The following things flashed through my mind.
1. Road is 3/4 clear
2. He stopped and looked back
3. He isn't moving
4. He saw me and is going to wait for me to pass

So I maintained speed, he waited another couple of seconds and pulled out. At this point I was close enough that I needed to take emergency action. Up on both sets of brakes, and a HEAVY horn. He stopped again when I did that and I saw him glance back. I came within 2 feet of bouncing off his bumper at that point.

Anyways he pulled forward and got back into the right to make his right turn, I cam up beside him and did what I call a stall... basically break almost to the point of stopping and maintain balance and look over to glare at him. I kept both hands on the bars at all times and I wear a fullface, so I cannot be said to have made any offensive gestures. That took maybe a second, but I got a good look at him, older guy, probably early 50's and gaining weight.

I got up to the front of my lane because it was now empty and stop at the red light. He is now three vehicles back and in the lane to my right. I rest my right hand on my right knee to maintain balance and look back at him once again making no gestures, but long enough for him to realize that it was him I was staring at. As traffic passes the two cars in front of him make their right turns and he pulls up beside me with his window rolled down. The following conversation took place.

"So what the hell is your problem?"
"You cut me off!"
"You shouldn't be going that fas..."

The light turned green at that point and deciding that not holding up traffic was more important then explaining what an idiot he had been I pulled slowly through the intersection and down through my twisties. But I found I was to aggravated to actually enjoy them.

Once again for the record I was travelling well under the speed limit, because I expect stuff like that to happen. And I'm on a bright yellow bike in a bright yellow helmet, it's not like a blend into the tarmac. And my friends wonder why I've taken up hating people in advance of meeting them....

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:51 pm
by Gadjet
I just about got tagged 10 blocks from my house today by a left turner. The biggest difference with my situation was that I was approaching from the woman's right side and signalling to turn left off the secondary highway I was on and into town (speed limit 70kph, I was doing maybe 20 at this time). The car that was behind me pulled into the through lane to continue on straight, and the woman at the stop sign does a typical rolling stop to allow the through traffic to clear and then proceeded with her left turn, right in front of me. Fortunately, I had enough space that I was able to squeeze the brake just a little bit to slow myself down a bit more to pass behind her while I layed on the horn. She seemed a little shocked when she heard my horn, because she started a bit and looked right at me, then continued her turn.

Now, I'm on a RED motorcycle, with a BRIGHT YELLOW HELMET on, and I was fully illuminated by the setting sun - which I was turning into and was shining from behind her.

They'll give a driver's license to anyone these days

Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:43 pm
by Sev
Yeah, that's happened to me as well, thank god for the clutch and feathering the brakes.

Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:02 am
by Aggroton
as far as visibilty goes...i ride with my high beam on all the time...day and night. and i put annoying little flashing blue neon blinkers on my valve stems...they were free. but yeah leaveing room for error and paying attention is your best bet.