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MSF Experience

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 5:55 am
by The Grinch
I finally took the MSF BRC this weekend after waiting six impatient weeks for an opening.

The classroom part of the class was earlier in the week and consisted mostly of going through the MSF wookbook and watching short videos. We worked in three groups of eight going through the practice exam questions, but took the final written test at the end individually. The test consisted of 50 multiple-choice questions with 40 being a passing score. I finished the test in about 10 minutes and got them all right. Most of the questions were pretty basic and not hard if you read the wookbook and paid attention to the videos.

The riding part of the class was split over two days. Half the the people in the class had the morning session and the other half were scheduled for the afternoon. I was in the afternoon session, which was nice since I didn't have to get up at 5:00am to make the 7:00am start time. More than half the class had prior riding experience and arrived for the class riding everything from liter bikes to huge Harleys. We initially had 10 people in our session, but this was reduced to nine when one of the participants just wasn't getting it and was asked to leave.

We had a choice between a dual-sport bike or a small 250cc cruiser. I chose a dual-sport as I'm tall and felt cramped on the cruiser.

The rider coaches started us out learning the friction zone by having us rock the bike back and forth using the clutch. Then we "power walked" the bikes, and finally got to ride back and forth across the range. We then moved on to turning, weaving, shifting, and finished the day doing maximum braking exercises.

Sunday was much hotter than Saturday (90deg. vs. 70 deg.), which made things more difficult for everyone. We started out riding around the range to get used to the bikes again and then did the dreaded U-turns in the box exercise. Only about three people in the class could do this excercise consistently without going outside the box or putting a foot down. The keys to this, I found, are: a big head turn, speed control using only the clutch, and stay off the brakes! Of all my attempts, I only managed it once, and then just barely.

We then moved on to more swerving, braking, and cornering exercises, and then a 30 minute session where we practiced three of the four excercises that would be on the evaluation. I screwed up the U-turns exercise every time (again) and didn't have much hope of doing it right during the evaluation.

Right before the evaluation, the coaches explained the scoring rules and the drop-the-bike-and-you-fail rule. Scoring was simple: you start with a score of 0 and get points added for mistakes. A score of 20 or fewer is passing. Three of the four evaulation exercises were timed with a stopwatch to make sure we met the minimum speed requirements. Several riders were asked to repeat exercises because they did them at too slow a speed.

Wonder of wonders: I nailed the U-turn exercise! I thought I didn't have a chance given my previous performance and the added stress of being evaluated. I decided not to even look at the lines and just concentrate on making good head turns and keeping my speed steady. The other three exercises seemed easy in comparison.

I ended up passing with a perfect score of 0, which really surprised me considering how nervous I was. :D

What really amazed me was the distribution of the scores. For the most part, the riders with the least experience did better than the riders with more experience. I don't know why this should be, but perhaps it has something to do with unlearning old, bad habits.

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:39 am
by yoda731
Great job and congrats!

I just took it last weekend. We had opposite experiences, and you got the better of it-- I was great on everything up until the test, then got a little nervous. I still did well (+4 score) but accidentally shifted into neutral on the cornering piece, and got the points for going too slow by the time I shifted back to 2nd.

Have you went for your endorsement yet? Have fun. Like I said to another one of us new guys today-- stay calm and stay visible out there...

JC

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:36 am
by The Grinch
Have you went for your endorsement yet?
Not yet. California has a stupid requirement that the course administartor has to mail the certificate to everyone who passes. They are required to mail the certificates within 10 days, so it looks like I have to wait another week or two before I get the M1 endorsement.

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 7:41 am
by yoda731
XM23 wrote:
Have you went for your endorsement yet?
Not yet. California has a stupid requirement that the course administartor has to mail the certificate to everyone who passes. They are required to mail the certificates within 10 days, so it looks like I have to wait another week or two before I get the M1 endorsement.
Crazy. I don't see the point of that at all, unless the state sees some value in proving that MC drivers can at least fake a permanent mailing address? Florida was a lot better on that. I got the certificate at the course on Sunday, and was able to go online and schedule an 8am appointment at the DMV for the next day. By 8:30am, I was out the door with the license.

Have fun. More soon.
JC

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:18 am
by Scoutmedic
Congratulations! Sounds like you had a great course. My MSF experience was similar with the "experienced" bikers scoring worse than the "n00bs" overall. The only points I got were the figure eight. I hit the line on the first turn.

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 8:25 am
by Z (fka Sweet Tooth)
Congrats! Sounds like you had a positive experience, I hope they mail the certificate soon... 8)

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:45 am
by jstark47
XM23 wrote:California has a stupid requirement that the course administartor has to mail the certificate to everyone who passes. They are required to mail the certificates within 10 days, so it looks like I have to wait another week or two before I get the M1 endorsement.
In Jersey, the course administrators just add an endorsement to your permit document, kind of like a little seal. Then you take it to your local DMV.......... where the troglodytes act like they've never seen an endorsement for a state riding test waiver....... 'cause only about 90% of the riders in the state get their license that way! It took me 2 1/2 hours the day I took my endorsed permit in, being shuffled from wrong window to wrong window. Grrrrrrr......

My local DMV office has a police officer permanently stationed there. Given how they treat people, I understand why....... stressed-out customers flipping out and threatening violence to the troglodytes!

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:14 pm
by smdarling
I also took the course in Massachusetts this weekend. Wish I had seen your post before I took the class. Would have calmed some of my anxiety as I have never ridden before.

In Mass., If you pass and you have prepaid the DMV for your license, the DMV will mail you your new license in about a week. Otherwise, when you get your certificate you have to go to the DMV and wait in line.

The session I attended was all day Friday on the range and half a day on Saturday in the classroom.

Everyone passed both parts of the course. One woman showed up with boots that had a 3" heel. She ended up passing. What was she thinking?

All in all a very positive experience. Now I just need to figure out what kind of bike I want.

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:22 pm
by jmillheiser
congrats to all those who recently passed the MSF.

I took my MSF last september. I was the only person in my class that came in with zero riding experience, I scored better than most of the experienced riders.

I was the only person in my class of 12 to nail the U turn box perfectly, everyone else either went outside the box or put a foot down.

Im planning on taking the ERC this summer.

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:38 pm
by ofblong
jmillheiser wrote:congrats to all those who recently passed the MSF.

I took my MSF last september. I was the only person in my class that came in with zero riding experience, I scored better than most of the experienced riders.

I was the only person in my class of 12 to nail the U turn box perfectly, everyone else either went outside the box or put a foot down.

Im planning on taking the ERC this summer.
doesnt that requre 3000 riding hours on your bike? or is it 300?