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9/11 Loose Change video

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:52 pm
by TechTMW

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:57 pm
by Shiv
There's a video out there that does a pretty good job of de-bunking Loose Change. Let me see if I can find it.


Regardless, it comes down to what you want to believe.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... page=1&c=y

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html


Video
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... 6&hl=en-CA



By the by, my take. Loose change has a LOT of good points. But I don't want to believe them as I get a picture of Osama laughing his "O Ring" off as American's devour themselves over something he actually did.

And I'm almost done watching Loose change adn they've yet to state a motive for the government.


But all the fire things, and the lack of debris, adn the lack of plane-like destruction, and all that...very good points.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:36 pm
by jonnythan
People seem to refuse to realize that a plane is a super-light flying hunk of hollow aluminum and plastic.

The Pentagon? Orders of magnitude more dense. Steel and concrete and a lot of windows.

A plane crashing into a huge concrete low-rise office building is more like crashing a subway car through a giant sewer grate and less like crashing a locomotive engine into a lightweight steel high rise.

When you crash a plane into a superdense building with a lot of windows at high velocities, the plane *will* essentially disappear into the building. Everything I've seen concerning the plane crashing into the Pentagon conforms *exactly* with what I'd expect.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:26 pm
by flynrider
After the third or fouth time the filmaker put together a couple of random bits of knowledge and proclaimed the result to be "'scientific fact", I turned it off. This strikes me as no different than the films that offer "proof" that space aliens are visiting us, or "proof" that we are all puppets of a secret world government. Yawn.

An aircraft that impacts a concrete building at 500 mph is going to disappear. They are extemely light weight structures and it is not unsual to have nothing but tiny bits left when it impact speeds are high. In the past, there have been some airliners that dove into the ground and the debris field contains no recognizable aircraft parts (or bodies for that matter).

If you want to see what an aircraft impact at 480mph looks like, see if you can find a video of the 1988 contest between an F-4 Phantom and a concrete wall at Sandia Nat'l Labratories. That one was just an impact test of a fighter (structurally stronger than an airliner) and did not involve burning jet fuel. It's enlightening.

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:29 pm
by Jamers!
the best argument agaisnt it is from Maddox.

Basically, he says that if the government is willing to kill 1000s of people, why the hell is the dude who made loose change still alive? He would have been taken care of and loose change wouldnt be so wide spread


He also talks about the science of it and what not



http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net ... 911_morons



JWF

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:00 pm
by TechTMW
JWF505 wrote:the best argument agaisnt it is from Maddox.
Oh man, I forgot all about Maddox's website. Thanks for the reminder :laughing:

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:25 pm
by Shiv
JWF: Because then it would prove that it was all true, duh.

Every good conspiracy theorist knows that. :D

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:43 pm
by Ninja Geoff
TechTMW wrote:
JWF505 wrote:the best argument agaisnt it is from Maddox.
Oh man, I forgot all about Maddox's website. Thanks for the reminder :laughing:
+1

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:46 am
by NorthernPete
Or so the Germans would have us believe....

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:23 am
by jonnythan
Yeah, I've seen plane crash investigators (pre-9/11) talk about high speed crashes into empty fields or the mountains, the debris field can be scattered over 2 miles and not contain a single piece that can in any way be identifiable as a piece of an aircraft.