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#1 Unread post by Ryethil »

Today, I found out that I passed my boards for RN. So I'm a state certified RN and Trauma Center qualified. A big change with a lot more responcibility. But I've wanted it for years now and next week I get my chance. :D

The only thing is the hospital almost got a stipulation in my contract that I would stop riding motorcycles. They tried, stating my position is too important to be endangered by an "unheathy habits". I tried to reason with them but it took a call to my family's lawyer to get it quashed. They want me too bad to let this stand in the way of hireing me but they sure tried. Makes me a bit worried about other people who's positions aren't so solid. Also, besides the freedom issues, is this a thing that is going to get worse. Dunno, I know of just my case. But I wonder. I know it's not a laughing matter and they sure weren't laughing. :evil:

Has anyone been confronted with something like this and if so what did you do? Is common wisdom going to make it too expensive to ride motorcycles? I know I'm safe. At least for now but will this become a more common thing?

Anyway, I guess the Honda ST was a good career move in one way. It gives off a better image than one of those outlaw motorcycles like the 3 or 4 I've got in my garage. :laughing:

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On a related topic, there has been an issue for years with employee health insurance being able to exclude coverage of motorcycle-related injuries. There was a bill up for the 110th Congress to correct this, but it didn't get passed. I'm having trouble finding if this bill was reintroduced to the 111th (current) Congress. Can anyone find if this was reintroduced (it would be called "HIPAA Recreational Injury Technical Correction Act") ?
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jstark47 wrote:On a related topic, there has been an issue for years with employee health insurance being able to exclude coverage of motorcycle-related injuries. There was a bill up for the 110th Congress to correct this, but it didn't get passed. I'm having trouble finding if this bill was reintroduced to the 111th (current) Congress. Can anyone find if this was reintroduced (it would be called "HIPAA Recreational Injury Technical Correction Act") ?
It isn't listed by itself but there is a similar bill attached to the main healthcare plan. Maybe so...

I just got my appended contact and it simply states that I must wear an approved helmet, I must not drive in a unsafe or dangerous manner (They spell out what this addendum legally means) and the hospital isn't responsible for my safety to and from the facility.

It's pretty straight foward stuff but It really chaps me to thing they can get away with this. However, my healthcare plan covers recreational accidents (Lawyer said this covers motocycles) and the hospital pays all deductables and out of pocket fees. So I guess they have a legitamite b*tch.

The problem is that I'm a 4 year RN and they added my years as a paramedic to my resume so that I'm actually a low level supervisor on my shift. So this becomes a personal matter but it also puts pressure to me to conform. Is giving up my bike to go to and from work a cop out. My lawyer states that at least in this state they can bring in personal lifestyle to any further consideration of my future since I'm part of management. Has anyone faced this prospect before esp. over motor cycles? What did you do about it? Is this a trend because the insurance companies are so strong. My lawer says that within limits they can do this to anybody. :wtf:

Sorry for dumping like this but I'm wondering what the future of motorcycling will be like. Kind of sad.

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#4 Unread post by BuzZz »

Never had my employer themselves try to tell me I couldn't ride, but about 10 years ago I bought an additional life insurance policy. At the time they asked about all my self destructive habits..... smoking, drinking, riding, etc. I told them I raced MX, but I didn't even have a streetbike at the time.

A month after I got it, they called me and said the policy would be void unless I stopped racing. I fought them on it, saying it was already signed and they had accepted payments on it already, besides, my job was more dangerous than racing Vet MX for fun ever was. They finally said I had to stop racing for 2 years. I just lied and told them I would. Since I didn't die on a CR-500, I got away with it.
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#5 Unread post by fireguzzi »

BuzZz wrote: Since I didn't die on a CR-500
Well you are either very skilled or very lucky then.
My uncle just about killed himself on one of those things overshooting a jump. He never rode it again.
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#6 Unread post by RhadamYgg »

Some jobs have healthcare that limits motorcycling and some don't. But this isn't saying you can't do it - just saying you won't be covered by your default health insurance.

It is however, the bad reputation that motorcycling has rather than any reality in making it more dangerous than say... any other activity.

For example, people die every year of overdoses of acetaminophen, and burn out their livers and require transplant surgery. Something that people consider to be relatively low or no risk is in fact fairly risky.

According to wikipedia... 41,200 people in England and Wales had poisoning from acetaminophen between 1989 and 1990...

And approximately 500 people die per year in the US from acute liver failure from overdosing on Acetaminophen.

But they didn't limit you to not take acetaminophen in your contract because it is perceived as safe. And it is safe, as long as you don't take multiple medicines with acetaminophen or take a few extra tablets because the pain is just that bad. But thousands of people each year I'm sure do permanent damage to their livers and lose work time because they OD on a common pain killer.

I think though, that allowing this sort of regulation by our employers is a gross invasion of privacy. This sets a precedent that based on your employers (prospective, not even actual) health costs they have the right to restrict your personal activities. There is no reason why they can't go further and mandate that you must not eat unhealthy foods (which is highly subjective), that you must exercise every week (and who determines what is healthy exercise and what is unhealthy? After all you could hurt yourself...), and who knows - why not allow them to hire private investigators and determine if you are cheating on your SO - and deny you health coverage (or continued employment) because of risky behavior and the chances of getting AIDS(?) and the end result will be our lives being controlled by our employers. Oh, hell, if you are single they may not be able to hire you because prospectively - you are promiscuous(!).

And hell, since some people are newly married - and might increase everyone's health insurance cost because they might get pregnant and have a high risk child (like one of my twins) and add 3/4 of a million in dollars in charges in a single year - they should require me to get snipped so there won't be any children and excessive cost involved.

But given that you aren't a superstar like the singer for Metallica - and as respectable as your skills may be - there are other people that fit your skillset, restricting your activities because they might miss you - is excessive at the least. And realistically, risk mitigation is done with insurance - not with restriction of activities.

I mean, let's say - should they restrict doctors from flying personal planes because they have a risk of crashing?

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#7 Unread post by RockBottom »

My boss was my riding mentor and is heading for Sturgis later this summer (he hasn't missed it for 8 years), so I guess I'm OK.

I work on a military base so they do have requirements to ride on post--completion of an MSF course, safety vest, helmet, etc. The Marines lost more to motorcycles than combat last year and toyed with the idea of prohibiting riding, but didn't.
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#8 Unread post by ceemes »

Some how I doubt that would fly up here. If an employer attempted to manage an employees life style in such a draconian manner, you can bet he or she would be hit with a Charter of Rights and violation of Human Rights law suit so fast, it would make their heads spin right off their spiny little necks. And at the end of the day, the employer would be paying out big bucks to the employee in compensation.

I know that if a company I worked for attempted that dodo, I would say fine, give me a copy of the contract to mull over, and then fax it off to my lawyer asap (using the company fax machine of course) and sue the buggers for all they got.
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fireguzzi wrote:
BuzZz wrote: Since I didn't die on a CR-500
Well you are either very skilled or very lucky then.
My uncle just about killed himself on one of those things overshooting a jump. He never rode it again.


:lolsign:

Unfortunately it was a factory racing bike that didn't translate all that well to the civilian market. Don't rememeber why but I had to get on a milkcrate to be able to throw a leg over it and my ride consisted of not falling down and making it back to the milkcrate to get off of it. :roll:

However, several family members tried their best to overcome it and instead found it was a bigger obstacle then they thought. :laughing:

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RhadamYgg wrote:Some jobs have healthcare that limits motorcycling and some don't. But this isn't saying you can't do it - just saying you won't be covered by your default health insurance.

It is however, the bad reputation that motorcycling has rather than any reality in making it more dangerous than say... any other activity.

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I think though, that allowing this sort of regulation by our employers is a gross invasion of privacy. This sets a precedent that based on your employers (prospective, not even actual) health costs they have the right to restrict your personal activities. There is no reason why they can't go further and mandate that you must not eat unhealthy foods (which is highly subjective), that you must exercise every week (and who determines what is healthy exercise and what is unhealthy? After all you could hurt yourself...), and who knows - why not allow them to hire private investigators and determine if you are cheating on your SO - and deny you health coverage (or continued employment) because of risky behavior and the chances of getting AIDS(?) and the end result will be our lives being controlled by our employers. Oh, hell, if you are single they may not be able to hire you because prospectively - you are promiscuous(!).

And hell, since some people are newly married - and might increase everyone's health insurance cost because they might get pregnant and have a high risk child (like one of my twins) and add 3/4 of a million in dollars in charges in a single year - they should require me to get snipped so there won't be any children and excessive cost involved.

But given that you aren't a superstar like the singer for Metallica - and as respectable as your skills may be - there are other people that fit your skillset, restricting your activities because they might miss you - is excessive at the least. And realistically, risk mitigation is done with insurance - not with restriction of activities.

I mean, let's say - should they restrict doctors from flying personal planes because they have a risk of crashing?

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Okay, this is how it came down.

I graduated very high in my class while still working as a Paramediic. My performance reviews as a Paramendic were exemplary and there were no complaints form any of the ER doctors in town as to the quality of my work. I have some social issues but that by the consitution, I can't be mistreated or segregated because of them. However, they stated that if I wanted the job then I would have t accept certain things. One of them was not embarrising the corperate management. Kind of on the edge but the last few years of goverment have allowed this kind of heavy handedness by corperations and it is expected in some areas. Then came the big sticking point. I was a made a team leader and as such I have to put forth a good rolemodel for my team. To do this, I must prove my worthyness to lead my team and the one to judge this is management.

They decided that certain things were considered not to be promoting of this image. My motorcycling was considered to be unlady like and not proffesional, there for not putting forth a good image. Up to now, I've been a patch wearer so I could see at least partly where they were coming from. Okay, I resign and things will be better. The club accepted that but won't abandon me. So I may not publicly wear colors but I'm not alone. Okay, cool all the way around.

Then Management decided that I was too valuable to be risked by unhealthy and dangerous actions. They have this right. On another thread, Dean talked of a Golden State Warrior who sprained his ankle in a scooter or moped accident and found himself released without pay for a time bercause he had a similar clause in his contract and this clause specifically said no motorcycles. The hospitals defense was that there is only one Trama center in town and I'm a team leader. I was too valuable to risk with acts of dangerous behaviour. So they decided to say I couldn't ride motorcycles whether I was going or coming from work. Hey they even felt strong enough to say that I couldn't ride them at all, even on my off duty time.

Well, it took direct intervention by my lawyer to quash this. So they retracted this and made it pretty much my fault if I got into trouble or an accident. That I would be depriving the hospital of my services and while they couldn't charge me a fine or other retribution in this case, they could make it a point for them not to renew my contract. So a soccer mom turns in front of me and I lose my job. My lawyer questioned this and once again we prevailed. However, I have had to accept that I must ride in a car or similiar vehicle back and forth to work. They have accepted that I am free to do what I want to do on my time off but I must wear a helmet as one of the stipulations. Another is that I must not do any illicet drugs or commit a felony.

I have worked 4 years to get where I am now and it's been my dream for longer than that. I'm also just starting out so I need to do exceptionally well at this job to further my career. As for now, there is no hard feelings of the management towards me for I agreed to at least some of their stipulations. The job is everything I want and there is fear that I will anger management if I'm too hard to work with.

So as of now, I can still ride motorcycles and I can do what I want as long as I don't drag the hospital corperation into it.

As for healthy food, Congress determined to make up some of its finacial short fall by increasing the price of alcohol and cigarettes. But they also included soda and unhealthy or junk foods to tax at a higher rate so people would eat or dring less of these items. They almost got a way with it. And as for Canada, I hear constantly from computer friends of mine, that your not so well off yourself. Things aren't as free as they should be and you don't have the bill of rights so there isn't even that safety net. Just an observation.

So, yes, I'll keep collecting bikes and such but a lot of the fun has gone out of it. Even there I may let a bike or two go so I can find an interesting car to drive. I'm not ready for my walker yet but I wonder if they are going to say that my ST is unsafe because ot doesn't have air bags. :roll:

I don't feel like it but...

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