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New WTC tower design made public

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:00 am
by totalmotorcycle
This just in...........

Would you want to work in a rebuilt World Trade Centre?





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New WTC tower design made public
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN New York
Wednesday, June 29, 2005 Posted: 2029 GMT (0429 HKT)


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NEW YORK (CNN) -- New York officials released the latest design for the signature building at the World Trade Center site Wednesday after revising it to make the tower more secure.

Gov. George Pataki ordered the design changes because police were concerned that the tower's placement adjacent to West Street, a major thoroughfare along the west side of Manhattan, would make it vulnerable to a truck bomb.

Instead of being 25 feet from West Street, the tower will be set back 90 feet, and its 200-foot base will be a reinforced concrete wall covered in steel and titanium.

"I think it's simpler and at the same time a lot more elegant," Pataki said in an interview with CNN. "The footprint is smaller, which leads to more open space and it doesn't quite dominate over the memorial ... It's not about doing it today, it's about doing it right for tomorrow."

"The Freedom Tower," will retain the height of the earlier design -- at 1,776 feet, symbolizing the year the United States declared its independence.

But it will also include reminders of the twin towers it will replace.

The roof above the public observation deck will be at 1,362 feet, the height of old South Tower, while a glass wall will rise 1,368 feet, the height of the old North Tower.

"In subtle but important ways this building recalls what we lost," said architect David Childs.

The building will bear a spire that will emit light at night to echo the Statue of Liberty's torch.

The tower will be also more slender and occupy a smaller footprint in the northwest corner of the 16-acre site -- a footprint the same size as the old twin towers' base, 200 feet by 200 feet.

The revised tower design takes up the same amount of commercial space, one-quarter of what was lost on September 11, 2001, and many of the same features.

Above an 80-foot lobby and 120 feet of floors housing mechanical equipment, there will be 69 office floors, the highest at 1,120 feet.

The new construction timetable calls for the steel frame to rise above street level in 2007 and be topped out in 2009, with the tower ready for occupancy in 2010. That's two years later than originally planned.

"The new Freedom Tower design incorporates standards the police department had sought to protect the building against bomb blasts, which our counterterrorism experts agree present one of the greatest threats to such iconic structures," said NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly, in a written statement.

Real estate developer Larry Silverstein said the tower will have a solid concrete core and state-of-the-art fireproofing on its steel beams.

Silverstein, who leased the Trade Center six weeks before it was destroyed, said he embraced the recommendations of the National Institute of Standards and Technology, which found that the dislodging of fireproofing material when the hijacked planes crashed into the towers contributed greatly to their collapse.

The tower was originally conceived by architect Daniel Libeskind, whose master site plan was chosen in February 2003 to guide the rebuilding process.

Libeskind later was forced to collaborate with Childs, hired by Silverstein, to refine the design, which was unveiled in December 2003.

The 2003 Freedom Tower model featured a torqued glass-and-steel design with a steel cable netting. It had 2.6 million square feet of commercial space, including more than 60 floors for offices, an indoor observation deck above and a sky restaurant to replace Windows of the World.

A cornerstone was laid July 4, 2004.

No tenants, other than the governor and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the transportation agency that owns the site land, have expressed interest in moving offices into the tower.

Childs said the tower is "bold and simple" and would be a "marker in the sky for the memorial below."

The memorial, Reflecting Absence, featuring two reflecting pools where the towers stood, will occupy 4.5 acres and will be the first project completed on the site.

Groundbreaking will take place early next year, with construction scheduled to be finished in September 2009.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:18 am
by ZooTech
Not one designed to be a target. They should just replace the towers exactly as they were, with one extra floor. By building this "bomb resistant" building, we're admitting that we fear being hit again. I say replace the buildings or build a giant hand with the middle finger raised.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:57 am
by Gummiente
zootech wrote:or build a giant hand with the middle finger raised.
The Washington Monument has always struck me as being exactly that - a middle finger raised to the enemies of democracy and freedom. I've always admired the monument; still have the little copy of it I bought at a nearby tourist shop when I was there in '89.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:51 pm
by iwannadie
zootech wrote: By building this "bomb resistant" building, we're admitting that we fear being hit again.
guess cops shouldnt wear bullet proof vest, they are just admitting they are scared. people shouldnt wear seat belts thats an admission of fear. helmets, leathers any precaution is to admit fear.

i think we are better off taking every stet we can to save lives. its a new world and bomb threats are serious we cant just say it wont happen again and put people at risk.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:57 pm
by ZooTech
iwannadie wrote:
zootech wrote: By building this "bomb resistant" building, we're admitting that we fear being hit again.
guess cops shouldnt wear bullet proof vest, they are just admitting they are scared. people shouldnt wear seat belts thats an admission of fear. helmets, leathers any precaution is to admit fear.

i think we are better off taking every stet we can to save lives. its a new world and bomb threats are serious we cant just say it wont happen again and put people at risk.
The building should symbolize our resolve as Americans not to give in to terrorists. The new design incorporates "safe rooms" and reinforced elevator shafts. It may as well include a big fat bulls-eye on the side while they're at it. If you want to send a message to the creeps of this world that we will not lay down and die, rebuild the towers EXACTLY as they were + one floor.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:03 pm
by iwannadie
zootech wrote:
iwannadie wrote:
zootech wrote: By building this "bomb resistant" building, we're admitting that we fear being hit again.
guess cops shouldnt wear bullet proof vest, they are just admitting they are scared. people shouldnt wear seat belts thats an admission of fear. helmets, leathers any precaution is to admit fear.

i think we are better off taking every stet we can to save lives. its a new world and bomb threats are serious we cant just say it wont happen again and put people at risk.
The building should symbolize our resolve as Americans not to give in to terrorists. The new design incorporates "safe rooms" and reinforced elevator shafts. It may as well include a big fat bulls-eye on the side while they're at it. If you want to send a message to the creeps of this world that we will not lay down and die, rebuild the towers EXACTLY as they were + one floor.
i dunno... i still would rather actually be safe than just give someone an attitude. if we rebuild it exactly the same +1 floor and someone bombs it then what? we just threw thousands of lives just for the sack of having an attitude?

just because its safe doenst mean we give in to something, we accept there is a threat and want to save people if something happens. its the same with tight security in airports i think. if someone bombs it and no thing happens no one dies, then the person bombing it looses dont they?

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:33 pm
by ZooTech
iwannadie wrote: just because its safe doenst mean we give in to something, we accept there is a threat and want to save people if something happens. its the same with tight security in airports i think. if someone bombs it and no thing happens no one dies, then the person bombing it looses dont they?
Well, the point was made on the radio earlier today (can't remember if it was Limbaugh or John Corby) that if the building is built so bomb-proof, one of two things will happen...either the terrorists will attack a more vulnerable building (we still lose) or they will feel "challenged" by the new design and become more creative in their attempt to bring it down. It's like locking the doors to your car and setting the alarm...if a car thief wants it bad enough, he's gonna take it. And if terrorists want to wreack havoc on American soil, they will continue to do so if they can get past our new safeguards. So I say build something that flips the bird to the bastards, and turn their country into glass if they try anything else here at home.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:30 pm
by iwannadie
zootech wrote:
iwannadie wrote: just because its safe doenst mean we give in to something, we accept there is a threat and want to save people if something happens. its the same with tight security in airports i think. if someone bombs it and no thing happens no one dies, then the person bombing it looses dont they?
Well, the point was made on the radio earlier today (can't remember if it was Limbaugh or John Corby) that if the building is built so bomb-proof, one of two things will happen...either the terrorists will attack a more vulnerable building (we still lose) or they will feel "challenged" by the new design and become more creative in their attempt to bring it down. It's like locking the doors to your car and setting the alarm...if a car thief wants it bad enough, he's gonna take it. And if terrorists want to wreack havoc on American soil, they will continue to do so if they can get past our new safeguards. So I say build something that flips the bird to the bastards, and turn their country into glass if they try anything else here at home.

ok good point about locking your car and setting the alarm. do you lock your car and set an alarm?

yes they will see it as a challenge that will be the case with anything w2e do to become safe, might as well make it as hard as possible to do harm though. yes they might target other buildings with less security but we cant go around tearing buildings down to make them more up to the new standards. but we can take this chance(and any future buildings constructed) to make them safer. we cant live with our doors open like you seem to suggest. i just dont understand the thought behind that. we have the chance to make a better more secure and safe building to prevent future harm on people. but you say we should just leave the doors open and let our pride get the better of us?

i suggest you show your pride and leave your car unlocked for a while just to be 'patriotic' then? i mean no sense in letting the car theifs 'win' by forcing you to lock your doors all the time right?

no wonder people attack this country :frusty:
i dont even want to be apart of things anymore. i would claim refugee in canada but i dont like thier beer that much and they are a little to slow aye. maybe ill go to mexico i do love my tequila and the beachs.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:51 pm
by Gummiente
iwannadie wrote:i dont even want to be apart of things anymore. i would claim refugee in canada but i dont like thier beer that much and they are a little to slow aye.
Well, most of us can spell better than you so I'm not so sure about your "slow" remark. And don't worry, lots of people can't handle alcohol - that's what we put in our beer, btw.

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:56 pm
by iwannadie
Gummiente wrote:Well, most of us can spell better than you so I'm not so sure about your "slow" remark. And don't worry, lots of people can't handle alcohol - that's what we put in our beer, btw.
people like you make it wise not to go to canada also :laughing:

when people get defensive they always attack spelling/typing. dude its an internet forum, i type this stuff in a matter of seconds on a whime with no effort to proof read, spell check or even care if i make a mistake here or there so what if i spell something wrong? you know what the word was right? did the miss typed word make the post unreadable? do you jut want to try and make your self feel special or something because you can point out a typing error? does the forum mean that much to you i mean really if you take it so serious to notice spelling/typing errors in a post... wow go canada right?