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#1 Unread post by Shalom Rider » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:20 pm

Helmet technology is changing, we are starting to see motorcycle helmets with a slip plane know as Multi-directional Impact Protection System (MIPS).

Neurosurgeon know that they still get patients with brain injuries even when they had been wearing a motorcycle helmet at the time of their accident. Greg Shapleigh decided to change helmet design, because current helmets aren’t doing enough. Greg’s research resulted in a slip plane that allows the head to rotate in any direction by 10-15mm. This reduces the forces that are transferred to the brain by up to 40%.

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The uptake of MIPS by motorcycle helmet manufactures has been slow. Here’s a link to the best motorcycle helmets.

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Like most safety technology it takes time for it to be widely adopted, but pro riders are starting to request it.

What do you think?

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#2 Unread post by brajon » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:09 am

I find Arai helmets to be the best since they fit my head comfortably.
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#3 Unread post by centerstand65 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:48 am

For me, choosing a helmet is all about comfort. Used helmets are already broken in. There is a direct relationship between sweat and softness. Along with sweaty comfort comes stink. The more a helmet stinks, the more comfortable it is to get in and stay in, all day.

I prefer well-worn Arai and Icon helmets because guys wear them and sweat in them to where they'll stink up a room. That's when a helmet is at its best.

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#4 Unread post by centerstand65 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:48 am

This is one of my favorite used lids. Look at the padding. It feels and smells just like it looks. Cool on the outside. Hot on the inside.
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#5 Unread post by centerstand65 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:39 pm

centerstand65 wrote:
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This is one of my favorite used lids. Look at the padding. It feels and smells just like it looks. Cool on the outside. Hot on the inside.
This kind of quality takes a lot of work to achieve. I appreciate guys who are willing to put their sweat into a new helmet so that I don't have to. To me, this is as new as I ever want to get. The guy who broke in this beautiful Icon very rarely washed his hair, and I can smell it every time I get in it.

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#6 Unread post by centerstand65 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:29 am

This is another of my favorite Icon helmets. Just like my Alliance, the once white padding inside this Variant is now a charcoal gray with sweaty, yellow-brown accents. On eBay, it is described as an "old, dirty, used ICON Variant." Just like the Alliance, the Variant fits me like it's custom-made, right out of the box. It smells like slightly sour oregano spice.

Both of these Icons, the Alliance and the Variant, effectively absorb my sweat and then secrete it out the pores at the base of the neck roll.

Getting in the Variant for the first time was as much fun as the Alliance. The helmet swallowed my head in one gulp. The straps went into place the way they had several thousand times before, but it was a first for me. The very sweaty pads that had protected another guy's head for at least five years gently pressed against my cheeks, ears, and forehead. I felt awesome and cool putting my head in another guy's lid for the first time.

I am a proud wearer of another guy's very hot "old, dirty, used ICON Variant."
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#7 Unread post by NorthernPete » Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:28 am

My brain feels dirty. Lol
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#8 Unread post by jstark47 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:11 pm

Centerstand65, if I understand you right, you prefer to wear old, used helmets? Do you know anything about the history of these helmets? And can I ask HOW old? I assume you're aware the expanded polystyrene layer inside a helmet's shell stops being effective crash protection for your brain after about 5 years or so, right?
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#9 Unread post by centerstand65 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:53 pm

Sure, over time, there will be some reduction to impact absorption in a used lid. However, there will also be a dramatic increase in comfort.

Then, there's the smell. Nothing washes away the smell of resin and glue better than the slow flow of oily sweat. Of course, oily sweat has its own smell. Yet, washing a helmet is the biggest contributor to diminished safety. The best way to keep a helmet at its best is to regularly wear it without washing it, and then sell it on eBay when you can't stand the smell, anymore.

Getting in a well-worn lid for the first time is the easiest part of motorcycle riding because there's no break-in time. It feels and smells like it's been worn (by another guy) for thousands of hours because it has.

I prefer that other guys sweat out the details so I don't have to!

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#10 Unread post by centerstand65 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:15 pm

The history of these helmets is simple: they were worn for several thousand hours, each, by guys who didn't often wash their hair and who never worried about their helmet stink. Had a couple of minor scrapes. Were worn in very hot summer heat.

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#11 Unread post by NorthernPete » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:40 am

Gross.
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#12 Unread post by centerstand65 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:34 am

NorthernPete wrote:
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Gross.
I know where you're coming from, but it really isn't gross. The most comfortable motorcycle riding gear (gloves, helmets, jackets, leathers, and boots) is well-worn. This also goes for gear not related to motorcycling, like down jackets.

Well-worn outerwear fits like a second skin.

"Gross" is a state of mind, IMO.

If you lived nearby, I'd let you try on my used gear. I seriously think that if you spent a day in some of my sweaty well-worm gear, you would change your mind.

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#13 Unread post by centerstand65 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:01 pm

NorthernPete wrote:
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Gross.
Buying a well worn pair of gloves is a great way to learn about used gear. Heavy insulated leather racing gloves worn by another guy through a couple of summers should feel great. The way they smell and feel will give you an idea of what it's like to get in a used lid. Try the gloves out for a month. I bet you'll like the them. From there, buy a nice well-worn Arai or Icon for $50 and wear that for a month.

I bet you'll change your mind.

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#14 Unread post by centerstand65 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:47 pm

By the way, I am very serious about what I write in this forum. I am not trolling. I've been riding motorcycles since 1991. When I first got into it, I bought only new gear. In 2002, I took a motorcycle safety class. I didn't bring my own helmet to the class, instead opting to wear one provided by the instructor. It was extremely sweaty. At first, I was grossed out, but within an hour of being in it, I was like, wow! So comfortable. Ever since then, I've never spent more than $70 for tier-1 headgear. I've bought full-body racing leathers, boots, and gloves for 90% off the original price. In all cases, previous use added comfort to the gear.

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#15 Unread post by NorthernPete » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:58 pm

Nope. Other people’s sweat smell? Ain’t my fetish. Lol. But power to you though!
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#16 Unread post by centerstand65 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:54 am

NorthernPete wrote:
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Nope. Other people’s sweat smell? Ain’t my fetish. Lol. But power to you though!
Defining my preference as a fetish is reasonable. A choice of words does not change the fact that I did not know what gear was right for me until I was actually in it. Also, there are many valid reasons for wearing previously sweated-in gear. Sweat washes away allergens that are part of the manufacturing process. Sweat is a natural conditioner. The oils found in dirty hair lubricate helmet padding, making it very soft. Therefore, it is preferable that the original owner of a helmet only rarely washes his hair so that his essential oils soak deep into the helmet padding, seasoning it for the next rider. Also, it takes at least three years to break in a helmet. I prefer getting in helmets that have been used every day for at least five years in hot weather by guys who don't often wash their hair. Right now, my Icon Alliance (as pictured, above) is sitting on a table about five feet away from me, with the visor closed, and I can smell it from where I am sitting. For me, helmet stink is an important indicator of comfort. The more a helmet stinks, the more comfortable it will be, not only to get in, but to stay in for an entire day. I keep an assortment of used helmets, each with its unique feel and smell.

You should give used gear a try. It's the only way to know if it's right for you.

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#17 Unread post by NorthernPete » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:15 pm

Well, to be fair, I have bought a used jacket before. But the smell wasn’t really anything I thought about (it was very new seeming to me. But who knows with jackets) as for a helmet, I just would rather break it in myself and not have to worry about possible foam damage from previous owners or the degradation of the liner from said previous owners sweat. Just my preference.
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#18 Unread post by centerstand65 » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:27 pm

NorthernPete wrote:
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Well, to be fair, I have bought a used jacket before. But the smell wasn’t really anything I thought about (it was very new seeming to me. But who knows with jackets) as for a helmet, I just would rather break it in myself and not have to worry about possible foam damage from previous owners or the degradation of the liner from said previous owners sweat. Just my preference.
As far as Styrofoam degradation is concerned, it can be an issue. However, most motorcycle accidents happen at a relatively slow speed. They tend not to involve extreme impact to the head. That doesn't mean one would avoid a head injury, if not wearing a helmet. I had one parking lot incident where I opened up the throttle as I entered a turn. Rain had just begun to sprinkle, and there was something slick on the rounded portion of my rear tire tread. So, the motorcycle went out from under me, and it happened really fast. The speed the motorcycle was traveling when I lost control was less than fifteen miles per hour. In fact, I don't think I was traveling more than seven miles per hour, but when the motorcycle flipped, the fall was quite rapid, and the mass of the motorcycle contributed to momentum at impact so that if I had not been wearing a helmet, if I'd survived at all, I'd probably be drooling and unable to write this message, right now. Would a compromised helmet have protected me? Yes, definitely. (BTW, on impact, my head felt absolutely nothing, even though I hit the ground pretty hard. I was totally surprised at how well the helmet took the impact, and transmitted the momentum energy around my head. It didn't even feel like I'd been hit with a feather pillow.)

A freeway incident could be a whole different story. Even there, head impact with the ground would be about the same as a 10mph accident, because most of the energy from a ground impact comes from downward force, and not horizontal force. More likely, sliding down the freeway would break the rest of one's body, but not the head, not even with a compromised helmet. Then, there's the last kind of impact on a normal road surface. That's the sort where one strikes an oncoming vehicle or a stationary object. That's when helmet performance may matter the most. Forward (horizontal) momentum would be determined by whatever the combined velocity is between the two objects (the head and whatever the head hits). Obviously, even a horizontal impact may cause a rapid horizontal stop. For example, as one slides down a roadway, there may be a curb that suddenly stops the rider. I knew someone, once, who was riding a moped without a helmet (late 1970s / early 1980s). He was hit from behind and thrown several yards. His head struck a curb. He was in a coma for several weeks. Fortunately, he came out of it and aced Accounting 201 while I struggled. So, that's an example of what happens with no helmet and where vertical and horizontal forces combine to cause injury.

Oh well, that's enough of that. I think you get the picture. For most accidents, even a questionable helmet will provide appropriate protection. There are cases, however, where only the best will do. One must weigh all of the factors and make a decision, accordingly. For the crowd who worries about dropping a helmet on pavement from shoulder-high, only the best will do, period. (I roll my eyes when I hear someone say that one drop is one drop too many. That’s just F’ing ridiculous.)

I definitely do prefer how comfortably a well-worn helmet goes on and stays on, and I’d rather another guy literally sweat the details so I don’t have to!

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#19 Unread post by centerstand65 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:47 am

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I received my new lid. As you can see, the inside is much less sweaty than the other two that I shared in this thread. It is nowhere near as comfortable as my other two Icons because it's not as worn-in. It will serve as a backup.

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#20 Unread post by centerstand65 » Mon May 20, 2019 2:18 pm

I'm looking at buying worn-in Arai. Total cost will be about $50. It will be great, this summer, getting in a new used lid. There is nothing like getting in another guy's well worn motorcycle helmet. I always feel awesome when I buy a new one from eBay.

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