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#1 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:31 am

For all those who are survivalists and/or want to stock up, here is a list I saw on the internet that may help. If anything, it is interesting reading.



100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches
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Re: Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?

#2 Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:40 am

Uh, boss...? Is there something about to happen that we all need to know about? :shock:
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#3 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:50 am

Gummiente wrote:Uh, boss...? Is there something about to happen that we all need to know about? :shock:
LOL!!

No, I was just reading the financial news today and came across this, many economics are a little worried about the US downgrade from AAA to AA+, a first in US history. I thought I'd throw this up here as it's interesting. (We do camp and some of this stuff isn't bad for camping).

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P.S. The "Economic collapse!!What should be done to prepare?" wasn't my headline, it was the authors. haha.
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#4 Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:11 am

Ah. Ok. Thanks for clarifying that.

'Scuse me while I go pull the boards off the windows now. :oops:
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#5 Unread post by mogster » Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:16 am

You forgot to mention a small economical off road bike - surely a vital means of transport in that situation?

Methinks an older (non electronic) bike would be best as more easily fixed. What model do you guys think would be suitable?

I would also add seeds for veg & bread etc.
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#6 Unread post by Gummiente » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:35 pm

mogster wrote:Methinks an older (non electronic) bike would be best as more easily fixed. What model do you guys think would be suitable?
Easy: the Ural Gear-Up 2WD.
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#7 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:12 pm

Interesting enough:


S&P TSX

11,649.97

-512.20

(-4.21%)






S&P TSX Venture

1,680.92

-130.57

(-7.21%)






Dow Jones

10,809.85

-634.76

(-5.55%)






S&P 500

1,119.46

-79.92

(-6.66%)
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#8 Unread post by High_Side » Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:19 pm

You are only taking a loss if you sell.... However selling last week would have been a great get rich scheme. Nonetheless-from any crash comes great opportunty.

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High_Side wrote:You are only taking a loss if you sell.... However selling last week would have been a great get rich scheme. Nonetheless-from any crash comes great opportunty.
Definately. Although tell that to the stock owners of Nortell or Bre-X or even Microsoft. Nortell at $100 a share would have been a great buy when it was $145 before and at $10 a share even better till it went to $0.09 ... but I do agree with the idea of buying low, selling high, it's just the timing that is the tricky bit. haha. :D

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#10 Unread post by ceemes » Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:54 pm

Moot point really, we are all doomed to destruction on Dec. 12, 2012......baring that in mind, I will be wlling to buy any bikes, gold, and other assets you may wish to dispose of prior to the rapture or whatever up to midnight Dec. 12, 2012 GMT. Mind, since the world will be ending right after that, I can only fairly offer pennies on the dollar for these transactions. Any takers? :devil:
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#11 Unread post by Grey Thumper » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:48 am

Wouldn't a (pedal) mountain bike be more useful than any motorcycle? No need for gasoline and all.
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#12 Unread post by madjak30 » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:57 am

Grey Thumper wrote:Wouldn't a (pedal) mountain bike be more useful than any motorcycle? No need for gasoline and all.
Yup, I've got six of them in my garage...three of them don't get used at all, or atleast not in a couple of years (two are mine, and one is wifey's)...the kids use theirs on a regular basis... :wink:

If the 13yo has anything to say about it, hers will not be used past next summer when she turns 14 she figures she will get a 50cc scoot and be done with the pedal thing!! Wifey sees it quite differently :shock:

As for the economic down turn, in reality...I'll just keep making my payments to the RRSP fund, when prices drop I just get more shares for my payment...so it is a good thing for me, I don't worry about the actual value of the shares since it will be another 20yrs before I start to plan retirement...and unless the economy implodes on itself, to which you will have no protection anyway, I know the value will go up in that time...so "Don't worry, Be happy!!" :mrgreen:

As for the Mayan calendar thing on Dec 12, 2012...their civilization died out long before that, and they were probably still working on the calendar when more pressing situations materialized for them... :P

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#13 Unread post by High_Side » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:39 pm

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Grey Thumper wrote:Wouldn't a (pedal) mountain bike be more useful than any motorcycle? No need for gasoline and all.
Yup, I've got six of them in my garage...three of them don't get used at all, or atleast not in a couple of years (two are mine, and one is wifey's)...the kids use theirs on a regular basis... :wink:

If the 13yo has anything to say about it, hers will not be used past next summer when she turns 14 she figures she will get a 50cc scoot and be done with the pedal thing!! Wifey sees it quite differently :shock:

As for the economic down turn, in reality...I'll just keep making my payments to the RRSP fund, when prices drop I just get more shares for my payment...so it is a good thing for me, I don't worry about the actual value of the shares since it will be another 20yrs before I start to plan retirement...and unless the economy implodes on itself, to which you will have no protection anyway, I know the value will go up in that time...so "Don't worry, Be happy!!" :mrgreen:

As for the Mayan calendar thing on Dec 12, 2012...their civilization died out long before that, and they were probably still working on the calendar when more pressing situations materialized for them... :P

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I can't say that I am a lot different in letting things ride in thje market than you, but it still hurts to lose 6 months worth of income in a matter of 6 days. However I could try to time the market and take the chance that I could miss some of the few up days that occur and likely end up even worse.....

And to the other part of your comment - It's funny how kids are so different: your daughter can't wait to give up peddles for something with a motor and my son is 10 times more interested in his mountain bike than his TTR 125......and he is my son???? Perhaps he was switched at birth?

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#14 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:13 am

High_Side wrote:I can't say that I am a lot different in letting things ride in thje market than you, but it still hurts to lose 6 months worth of income in a matter of 6 days. However I could try to time the market and take the chance that I could miss some of the few up days that occur and likely end up even worse.....

And to the other part of your comment - It's funny how kids are so different: your daughter can't wait to give up peddles for something with a motor and my son is 10 times more interested in his mountain bike than his TTR 125......and he is my son???? Perhaps he was switched at birth?
Quite the see-saw. It will be interesting if today the market is down again.

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The thing about the stock market is WHEN do you sell? These last few days about show you never know what it will do or if there is even logic behind it all to make informed decisions IMO. You gotta wonder what the owners of Bre-X or Nortel were thinking as the stock was going down (or up). How many held on not selling till it went under $1? I might have been one of them myself if I owned it, hoping the price goes up again next day...

About your son, it's amazing how interests come and go. I guess that explains "teen fashion" and social media sites.

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#15 Unread post by High_Side » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:07 am

You can't really use Bre-x as an example of a regular stock when the owners were aware that core samples had been salted. One of the largest stock scams in history left one of them filthy rich, one dead of a heart attack, and the core sample guy missing and presumably dead although no body was actually ever found. Amazing stuff, and stock holders really should have asked themselves how this gold mine could possibly contain that much more gold than any other in the world? Greed is blinding.

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#16 Unread post by sv-wolf » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Grey Thumper wrote:Wouldn't a (pedal) mountain bike be more useful than any motorcycle? No need for gasoline and all.

Yep I'd go for that. But I'd also want a chicken coop with a dozen hens in it. Don't know about you but, my bicycle runs on fried eggs and omlettes.

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sv-wolf wrote:In the mean time, I'm preparing for an active retirement.
Yes. "Active", alright. I'll be actively working for years into my so-called "retirement"... :crybaby:
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sv-wolf wrote:In the mean time, I'm preparing for an active retirement.
Yes. "Active", alright. I'll be actively working for years into my so-called "retirement"... :crybaby:
Me, too.

We better go buy ourselves some lottery tickets. :wink:
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#19 Unread post by sv-wolf » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:43 pm

Well, that's 3 out of 3. Looks like the stats are piling up for the baby boomers.
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#20 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:23 pm

I've always lived by the principal of "Save for a rainy day". I've had so many ups and down in my life it's taught me to do that. Paying off debt has helped too, but it means a little less of a lifestyle and a lot of dedication in the beginning.
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