Helmet laws - for or against

Are you in favor of helmet laws?

Yes
78
44%
Rabidly YES - everyone should be required to wear a full face helmet
26
15%
No
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21%
Limited - Only for younger or inexperienced riders
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21%
 
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Helmet laws - for or against

#1 Unread post by Flting Duck » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:06 pm

Just curious how people feel about helmet laws. Personally I'm against them - although I like helmet laws where you can ride without if you're properly insured. I also think they're not a bad idea for new riders (say one year from when you get your license - yes, miles would be better but I'm being realistic about how enforceable such laws would be) or those under 18 or 21.

FYI: I USUALLY ride with a helmet - shorty on my touring bike, Full face on my sportier bike as I don't like taking rocks and bugs in my face. My fullface helmets are Arai Quantums - if I"m going to wear a full face helmet, I might as well have one that's going to protect me well. I live in a state with a helmet law but do like to go lidless touring in helmet-free states.
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#2 Unread post by jstark47 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:29 pm

Neutral. I'll never ride without a helmet, normally a full face. Never, not once, not ever, period. Concerning laws, helmet laws by themselves are innocuous, although they do open the door for government over-regulation of motorcycle riding, and I don't like that.
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#3 Unread post by Gadjet » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:54 pm

Personally, I'm in favor of helmet laws, even though I would wear one if there was no law saying I had to. It's really stupid not to wear a helmet.

The only time that I have ridden without a helmet on was one night in Dillon Montana, when another Alberta rider that I had met on the road and I went off looking for a bar to unwind after a long day of riding. It was only about 8 blocks from our hotel, and we didn't feel like walking, so we took the bikes. It was a really bizarre feeling riding in my boots, jeans, and t-shirt, and not something that I am ever likely to repeat.

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#4 Unread post by bikeguy joe » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:18 am

Limited. Only because you should have the right to choose. I wear a modular flip-up full face most of the time. Sometimes I don't.
I like it that way.

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#5 Unread post by grymlocke » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:02 am

As a class A driver and a motorcyclist my idea was to have a medical/waiver card (similar to a CDL medical) required for all riders over 21 (under 21, helmet required, period) good for 2 years stating the rider understands the danger and waives wearing a helmet. BUT by carrying this card, Hospital doesn't have to take extraordinary measures to keep you alive AND it waives the hospital/city/county/state/fed from lawsuits by relatives for your death and they ( hospital/city/county/state/fed) also have no responsibility to maintain your life (ie, hire someone to wipe your arse and feed you) should you become a eggplant BECUASE of your choice not to wear a helmut.
Signed by both doctor and rider ofcourse, this gives the doctor the chance to show/convince rider the error of his/her choice...AND if stopped by LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) and not having a CURRENT card will carry hefty fines....

this way, you can choose or not....choice carries responsibility.

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#6 Unread post by jonnythan » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:27 am

grymlocke wrote:As a class A driver and a motorcyclist my idea was to have a medical/waiver card (similar to a CDL medical) required for all riders over 21 (under 21, helmet required, period) good for 2 years stating the rider understands the danger and waives wearing a helmet. BUT by carrying this card, Hospital doesn't have to take extraordinary measures to keep you alive AND it waives the hospital/city/county/state/fed from lawsuits by relatives for your death and they ( hospital/city/county/state/fed) also have no responsibility to maintain your life (ie, hire someone to wipe your arse and feed you) should you become a eggplant BECUASE of your choice not to wear a helmut.
Signed by both doctor and rider ofcourse, this gives the doctor the chance to show/convince rider the error of his/her choice...AND if stopped by LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) and not having a CURRENT card will carry hefty fines....

this way, you can choose or not....choice carries responsibility.

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Damn, that's a complicated system.

I like how it is now. DOT helmet or you get a ticket. Plain and simple.
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#7 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:36 pm

As you might have guessed, I voted in favor of helmet laws. But I do believe motorcycling is about personal sense of freedom and enjoyment and if you so choose not to wear a helmet that should be your choice to make.

A helmet may or may not save your life, there are a lot of variables involved to say a definate YES or NO to that. But it will save the parts on your head from being shaved/sliced/removed in an accident. I have my whole natural chin thanks to wearing a full face helmet at the time of my accident so it worked for me. If I had even a 3/4 helmet I'd have lost parts of my face.

Like Gadjet has mentioned about riding without a helmet I too found myself riding down to Montana (while wearing a helmet), unpacked in the lodge then without gear thought about riding to the local gas station (for beer), but decided agaist it as it felt "too weird" to actually do. I'm still glad I didn't ride without a helmet to this day.

But I can only imagine the feeling of wind through one's hair at speed and the weight of the helmet not there...

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#8 Unread post by Shorts » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:37 pm

Well, I voted "Yes" for helmet laws, as there wasn't a "yes, but" selection.

I think helmets do matter. However, I'm not in favor of more regulations on motorcyclists. I do wish ever rider would wear a helmet, but that isn't my call. We wear full face helmets, and if there were no laws regulating we do, we'd still wear them, even if everyone else wasn't.

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#9 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:39 pm

Shorts wrote:I think helmets do matter. However, I'm not in favor of more regulations on motorcyclists. I do wish ever rider would wear a helmet, but that isn't my call. We wear full face helmets, and if there were no laws regulating we do, we'd still wear them, even if everyone else wasn't.
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#10 Unread post by Apollofrost » Wed Apr 11, 2007 10:54 pm

+1 to shorts, that sums my feelings up perfectly.

I don't ride, yet. But I used to bike and helmets have saved my life and my face more than once, so I'll always wear one. But I'm not going to force my ideals on others.
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#11 Unread post by flynrider » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 pm

I had to go with limited. I'm very much in favor of helmets themselves, but not at all in favor of having governments legislate our personal choices. I had to go with "limited" because of riders that are under the age of majority. Once you are old enough to be personally responsible for making your own decisions in the eyes of the law, that should be the end of it.

I already have a mother and she doesn't need the help of politicians.

The CA legislature seems to be very eager to regulate their citizens lives this year. They propose to force you to drive the cars they prefer, mandate how your child should be disciplined and even what type of lightbulb you should use. Don't these nannies have any real work to do? I just hope it doesn't spread over the border to AZ.

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#12 Unread post by jstark47 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:40 am

jonnythan wrote:
grymlocke wrote:As a class A driver and a motorcyclist my idea was to have a medical/waiver card (similar to a CDL medical) required for all riders over 21 (under 21, helmet required, period) good for 2 years stating the rider understands the danger and waives wearing a helmet. BUT by carrying this card, Hospital doesn't have to take extraordinary measures to keep you alive AND it waives the hospital/city/county/state/fed from lawsuits by relatives for your death and they ( hospital/city/county/state/fed) also have no responsibility to maintain your life (ie, hire someone to wipe your arse and feed you) should you become a eggplant BECUASE of your choice not to wear a helmut.
Signed by both doctor and rider ofcourse, this gives the doctor the chance to show/convince rider the error of his/her choice...AND if stopped by LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) and not having a CURRENT card will carry hefty fines....

this way, you can choose or not....choice carries responsibility.

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Damn, that's a complicated system.
Actually, I like that. I think grymlocke's onto something there.
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#13 Unread post by grymlocke » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:09 am

jonnythan wrote:
grymlocke wrote:As a class A driver and a motorcyclist my idea was to have a medical/waiver card (similar to a CDL medical) required for all riders over 21 (under 21, helmet required, period) good for 2 years stating the rider understands the danger and waives wearing a helmet. BUT by carrying this card, Hospital doesn't have to take extraordinary measures to keep you alive AND it waives the hospital/city/county/state/fed from lawsuits by relatives for your death and they ( hospital/city/county/state/fed) also have no responsibility to maintain your life (ie, hire someone to wipe your arse and feed you) should you become a eggplant BECUASE of your choice not to wear a helmut.
Signed by both doctor and rider ofcourse, this gives the doctor the chance to show/convince rider the error of his/her choice...AND if stopped by LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) and not having a CURRENT card will carry hefty fines....

this way, you can choose or not....choice carries responsibility.

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Damn, that's a complicated system.

I like how it is now. DOT helmet or you get a ticket. Plain and simple.
not really, its just a medically endorsed waiver card.
...be glad you don't have to keep a log of your hours/milage of riding like truckers do for drivinig.. :laughing:

the 'trick' is to allow the 'powers that be' to think they are in control, by whining and demanding an 'all or nothing' reguarding helmet laws all you the protesters do is come across like bratty kids that won't eat their veggies (if any of you are parents, you know what i mean...).

ok, then change the 2 years to same time as license renewal....

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#14 Unread post by grymlocke » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:12 am

jstark47 wrote:
jonnythan wrote:
grymlocke wrote:As a class A driver and a motorcyclist my idea was to have a medical/waiver card (similar to a CDL medical) required for all riders over 21 (under 21, helmet required, period) good for 2 years stating the rider understands the danger and waives wearing a helmet. BUT by carrying this card, Hospital doesn't have to take extraordinary measures to keep you alive AND it waives the hospital/city/county/state/fed from lawsuits by relatives for your death and they ( hospital/city/county/state/fed) also have no responsibility to maintain your life (ie, hire someone to wipe your arse and feed you) should you become a eggplant BECUASE of your choice not to wear a helmut.
Signed by both doctor and rider ofcourse, this gives the doctor the chance to show/convince rider the error of his/her choice...AND if stopped by LEO (Law Enforcement Officer) and not having a CURRENT card will carry hefty fines....

this way, you can choose or not....choice carries responsibility.

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Damn, that's a complicated system.
Actually, I like that. I think grymlocke's onto something there.
thank you, but it just seemed so obvious i'm surprised no one else had a similar idea...feel free to pass it on if you want, its cool with me...

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#15 Unread post by t_bonee » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:36 am

I voted limited. Keep the choice with the rider.

I've ridden helmet-less a couple times, and damn, I love it! But, I've got things in the rest of my life more important than riding without a helmet. A lid is a real smart choice, but should remain a choice.
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#16 Unread post by grymlocke » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:52 pm

t_bonee wrote:I voted limited. Keep the choice with the rider.

I've ridden helmet-less a couple times, and damn, I love it! But, I've got things in the rest of my life more important than riding without a helmet. A lid is a real smart choice, but should remain a choice.
Hey, if you want to scramble your grey matter in a up-close and personal with the pavement..be my guest :frusty:

the argument the 'powers-that-be' ALWAYS uses 'is your choice costs the rest of $$$ in medical care, therefore we have the right to dictate to you...' (more or less, thats their reasoning)....my idea was simply a way to head-off that arguement and shift the burden back to the rider to take reasonable care of him/herself without burdening the rest of us because of his/her shoice. I live and work in the belly of the beast, I now how they think. :roll:

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#17 Unread post by t_bonee » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:11 pm

I wasn't trying to bash your plan or anything. It's not a bad idea really. I just was saying, in my experience, the couple times I've ridden without a helmet I found very enjoyable. I can see why people want to ride without one. Let them have the choice.

Personally, the couple times I've ridden without a lid have been low risk situations. My wife rode the bike up to a parking lot a couple blocks away to practice and didn't want to ride it home. I didn't have my lid cause I followed in the car with the kids. I rode home 3 blocks without one. Other times folks have asked for a ride. I'll scoot around the block with them and not put it on. It's residential side streets. Could something happen going around the block? Sure, but very low risk. And I could Choose to go without for a 2 minute ride.
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#18 Unread post by flynrider » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:24 pm

grymlocke wrote: the argument the 'powers-that-be' ALWAYS uses 'is your choice costs the rest of $$$ in medical care, therefore we have the right to dictate to you...' (more or less, thats their reasoning
That's not really a valid argument. Just an excuse (and not a very good one).

Injured bareheaded motorcyclists don't even show up on the radar when looking at overall health care expenditures. If they were sincere, they would be dictating your eating habits, tobacco use and sexual practices.
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#19 Unread post by skoebl » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:08 pm

I like helmet laws, but also agree that the choice should be with the rider. I know that if I hadn't been wearing my helmet when I went down, I wouldn't have a face. Almost ALL the damage to my helmet was on the front from the top of the visor to the chin (visor was actually shredded into little pieces).

I like the laws because they sorta force you into habits that you may take for granted until they save your "O Ring".
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#20 Unread post by grymlocke » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:26 am

flynrider wrote:
grymlocke wrote: the argument the 'powers-that-be' ALWAYS uses 'is your choice costs the rest of $$$ in medical care, therefore we have the right to dictate to you...' (more or less, thats their reasoning
That's not really a valid argument. Just an excuse (and not a very good one).

Injured bareheaded motorcyclists don't even show up on the radar when looking at overall health care expenditures. If they were sincere, they would be dictating your eating habits, tobacco use and sexual practices.
its not MY excuse, its what always keeps being swung around like a club everytime the argument pop up...personally, people can go ahead and ride with out and let nature take its course..maybe I'll catch your story on darwin awards.. :twisted:

you don't live in CA do you?..they ARE trying to dicates eating habits, sex and a smoke.... :roll:

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