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#1 Unread post by JVRR » Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:35 am

I am going to copy paste what I have going on over at GSTwins for simplicity. I am on a tight budget and looking first for boots, and I could probably wrangle up the money for a budget jacket perhaps, maybe even a nice one... but working so little these days... anyway... Any comments at what I am looking at?

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I am debating between three now. The Shift Fuel @ $100, Alpinestar Ridge @ $130 and the Joe Rocket Super Street @ $160. I like the price of the Fuel, like the convenience (so easy to put on and off) and waterproof of the Ridge, and like the Super Street because they fit nice, provide the most protection, and are, well, cool looking :D. I also really want to try the Joe Rocket Velocity, but I am so picky about shoes and cannot find them local to try on...

I am leaning away from the Alpinestars, I feel like the boot advantage is largely missing because they are so soft and flexible, yes very comfortable, and would protect against flying rocks (which sure hurt but whatever not worried about that), but not do much to protect the ankle I think. Which brings me to the Super Streets or the Fuels. Part of me feels like safety gear is only valuable when worn, and the shoes are so much more reasonable. Plus much friendlier to my budget (and when I get a job I would not feel as bad about running out and buying a nice pair of boots, harder to justify that if I already had boots). But part of me feels like I might as well go for maximum protection, but probably mostly I like the look of the boots (and the sliders and lack of laces are a plus!).

Someone pointed me towards the Shift Kicker boots, similar to the Fuel, but slightly more expensive and taller. I would be nervous ordering them online since they are a little taller (some I tried on in-store felt like they cut into my ankle) but could probably convince myself to try them

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I have not really found a jacket that I put on and really liked.  My favorite so far has probably been the Speed and Strength Call to Arms, but for the moment it is definitely outside my price range. I do want to try their Off the Chain, I like the hood and back armor, but cannot find one local to try on (and still out of my price range). I may just break down and buy one of these closeout jackets, likely the Speed and Strength Fame and Fortune ($110) or Fieldsheer High Flow II ($55), Fieldsheer Congo ($70), or even one of the armored hoodies.

Though it is hard to convince myself to spend $100 on a jacket I have no idea if I will like or not, when I could just spend $200 on one I have tried on :-X.
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Re: Budget Jacket and Boots

#2 Unread post by JC Viper » Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:19 am

Joe Rocket makes great gear so I'd bet on their boots. I haven't had any of their stuff disappoint me. You can "Like" or "Friend" them on Facebook and ask some questions for feedback. I did and it was like having customer service. Who knows, maybe they'll even give you a discount.

I hope you factored in/ own some riding pants and gloves. Pants with knee armor/ padding is just as important.

Just some interesting tidbits at New Enough (name apparently changed) as I was browsing new gear for myself.
$45 jacket:

http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/cl ... acket.html

Not waterproof/ resistant as it has no liner and the armor is lightweight though still CE approved... :shock: .

Here's a nice compromise. Good Armor and decent price.

http://www.motorcyclegear.com/street/ja ... acket.html
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#3 Unread post by JVRR » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:53 pm

Well damn. I have more money than I thought. Actually quite a bit more. But still nowhere near to the savings I was supposed to have after moving back from Russia... what to do now... what to do... :shock:
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#4 Unread post by JC Viper » Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:06 am

But who could pass up the thought of owning a $45 jacket? :cowboy:
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#5 Unread post by JVRR » Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:02 am

JC Viper wrote:But who could pass up the thought of owning a $45 jacket? :cowboy:
Well I am thinking why spend $50 on a jacket if I am just going to turn around and buy a nicer one when I have money soon. And no need for two at this point.

By the way, someone who lives in Seattle and wants something with some vent options and a little more thickness to it, I am not looking for waterproof, but water resistant would be nice :mrgreen:.

Really stuck between the Speed and Strength Call to Arms or the Off the Chain. Only thing that makes me nervous is some of their older jackets seem to have zipper issues but I tried the Call to Arms on in-store and it seemed well made.

I like the styling and fit of the Call to Arms, the liner also sounds more useful. However, I like the back armor and more water resistant materials of the Off the Chain. Hopefully get out in the next couple days to a couple more places to see if I can find one (or others) to try on!

Could still try to save money and go with the Speed and Strength Fame and Fortune, or Fieldsheer Congo Mesh.

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#6 Unread post by JVRR » Fri Apr 01, 2011 2:14 am

Ouch, car repair bill is going to be way higher than I thought (having windshield wiper motor replaced alone is around $600, only $270 of which warranty will cover)!

AKA No jacket anytime soon, maybe the Congo jacket, going to try one more place tomorrow or Saturday to try some stuff on.
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#7 Unread post by JVRR » Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:47 pm

Well I spent all day out at several different shops, and barely got back in time for work (okay I did not, I was fifteen minutes late :lol:)! Not sure if I accomplished anything. Determined...

1- I think I prefer the Shift Kicker boots over the Fuel

2- The Fly FL1 gloves I thought I loved, I do still like but the medium is the smallest I can get on my hand, and the fingers feel a tad long. For some reason having a real hard time finding that perfect pair of gloves!

3- I absolutely love the Speed and Strength Call to Arms and the Off the Chain jackets. At identical fits I do not know how I am going to decide. The Call to Arms looks way better, but it is a softer material that I think will not be as rain resistant. I also do not like the cuffs as much, but on the flip side the sleeves fit a tad better. The Off the Chain is ridiculous comfortable, great material feels as water resistant as you will get without being water proof rain gear, like the hood style and liner......

4- I love riding.

PS Could not find a Congo to try on, may still jump on it for the price but really jumping up $130 for the S&S jacket is not bad. It is not that I do not have the money, its that I do not want to spend it. But rather probably spend $200 now than $80 now and $200 in a couple month's when I have a better stream of income!

EDIT: 5- I would love to stick with leather, but the main ones appear to be Alpinestar and Scorpion, both of which are not only pricey, but more importantly neither go up to my size.

EDIT II: Okay after recent expenses I can jump on the boots, gloves, and jacket and keep $1,000 in my fluid savings account, think I can pull the trigger... to decide... arghhhh

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#8 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Apr 04, 2011 8:36 am

Well, I can attest to Joe Rocket for standing up in a crash. I wear the Joe Rocket Ballistic 1.0 (I think they are on Ballistic 10.0!) and it's great. For a jacket you want something that will go below your belt when sitting on the bike (for your rear end). Also you need good shoulder padding, elbow padding and back padding, minimum. A high vis color or brighter color is BEST over anything dark (esp black) if you are going to be doing ANY sunrise/sunset/night riding! Textile is the most waterproof.

For gloves, leather or textile, just make sure they are padded well at the palm as that is most likely they area that will be most abused if you ever crash (you can lose a lot of blood out of the palm!)

For boots, I still wear full steel toe and heel CSA approved boots. No matter what boot you get make sure it fully covers your ankle.

Just some ideas. :D

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#9 Unread post by JC Viper » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:03 am

I'm gonna have to agree with Mike. I've had a Joe ROcket Phoenix 2.0 jacket and had 3 crashes in it, nothing really major, and it's still in great shape.

They have composite toe boots that are lighter and just as strong... and don't show up on metal detectors....
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JC Viper wrote:They have composite toe boots that are lighter and just as strong... and don't show up on metal detectors....
Have you tried those? What brand (if so), do you like them?

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#11 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Apr 04, 2011 10:06 am

Update: This is interesting, Red Wing Boots now make Motorcycle Boots with steel, aluminum and non-metalic toes.... Hmmm..

http://www.redwingshoes.com/motorcycle-boots
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#12 Unread post by JC Viper » Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:13 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote:
JC Viper wrote:They have composite toe boots that are lighter and just as strong... and don't show up on metal detectors....
Have you tried those? What brand (if so), do you like them?

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I have tactical Magnum boots that contain a composite toe protector and non-metallic shank. It holds up as well as steel toe on my Timberland and Magnum Steel Toe boots. They also fit a bit like sneakers due to the composite being easier to shape and not leave a bulge and doesn't conduct heat or cold. The awesome part is only $90 was spent for them and haven't had any issues with them in accidents. I would opt for the 8" boots in the future even though 6" is sufficient.

JVRR, the Call To Arms is bada$$ and it would probably look good with the right helmet on a sport bike. :mrgreen:
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#13 Unread post by JVRR » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:54 am

JC Viper wrote:
totalmotorcycle wrote:
JC Viper wrote:They have composite toe boots that are lighter and just as strong... and don't show up on metal detectors....
Have you tried those? What brand (if so), do you like them?

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I have tactical Magnum boots that contain a composite toe protector and non-metallic shank. It holds up as well as steel toe on my Timberland and Magnum Steel Toe boots. They also fit a bit like sneakers due to the composite being easier to shape and not leave a bulge and doesn't conduct heat or cold. The awesome part is only $90 was spent for them and haven't had any issues with them in accidents. I would opt for the 8" boots in the future even though 6" is sufficient.

JVRR, the Call To Arms is bada$$ and it would probably look good with the right helmet on a sport bike. :mrgreen:
My only concern at this point is the added (I suspect) water resistance of the Off the Chain. Also, the call to arms has a lot of metal on the front, I have noticed some serious scuffs on my tank and I started freaking out (well I don't really freak out, but as close as I get)... I think they will all buff out but the only thing I can think of is zippers on my jacket I have been wearing. I am thinking it is the color though, and not the metal itself, the scuffs are a weird brown, and like I said I think they will all buff out...

That and my cheap "O Ring" is still considering the Fieldsheer Congo... I would just hate to get it and have it not fit right or not like it, $130 more for a jacket that will last longer (I would probably buy one of them anyway when I have a steadier job) and that I know I like and fits well, is not bad. Being big it is not easy to find things that fit well like that.

Hopefully not too far in the future I will slim down a bit more and be able to have a wider selection of leathers (and even textiles). That first 100lbs came off so easy, who would have thought it would be such a battle to lose a few more! :lol:

Need to order though, I got some kerosene and the Dupont wax, but want that grunge brush I have in my order. Been avoiding riding too much, mostly if it will be wet out as my chain is due for a waxing. Doing a hiking trip this weekend with the Boy Scouts though and probably will not have good weather between now and then :(.
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#14 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:09 am

The scuffs on your tank should rub out with some good wax, polish and elbow grease. I know what you mean about putting scratches on your tank, it sucks. If you keep the tank well waxed then it will protect the paint better. Also you could look for a tank pad, tank bra or tank protector. Maybe even wrap up the ends of the zipper pull with a little black electrical tape so if they do make contact with the tank then it will be softer than metal.

Textile jackets are pretty waterproof. It's the seams or rivets/buttons that leak, so the less the better. I still wear rain gear with my Joe Rocket if it's heavy rain out, otherwise I'm dry in normal rain.

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#15 Unread post by JVRR » Tue Apr 05, 2011 7:44 pm

The Call to Arms is Cotton/Poly blend, don't think thats super waterproof :x

If I go that route I just have to decide which color :roll:

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#16 Unread post by JC Viper » Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:49 pm

My leather jacket is supposed to only be water resistant but it takes a hell of a soaking before it lets any moisture through. Of course the jacket does get a bit heavy when wet and it doesn't smell to pleasant in that condition. I bought it from a small company at the International Motorcycle Show.

The only jacket I've had that never let any water in was one from First Gear. Made me look a little state trooperish for my tastes...

I agree with the tank pad idea should you find yourself riding with that jacket. Most people put tank pads on their sport bikes because those things do get scuffed regardless of what jacket, especially when crouched over.
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#17 Unread post by JVRR » Sun Apr 17, 2011 1:11 am

Went with the Speed and Strength Call to Arms (black), Fly Racing FL1 gloves, and the Shift Kicker boots. Have ridden with the jacket and gloves and love 'em both. Gloves may be a little tight, and were a little cold in the high-30 weather tonight :D but... I think they will stretch out at least a little. Jacket is awesome!

Still wearing boots around the house, but honestly now confident I will keep them, will ride with them tomorrow (or next opportunity).

None of the gear ended up being all that budget oriented, but definitely not expensive either (relative). The jacket came in at $197 after tax (got the local dealership to give me 10%), gloves were just over $50 (cheaper on Superstore than anywhere else) and boots I paid more than the Fuel's I was planning on... but found them to be more comfortable actually. Next I just need some pants, really want some of the kevlar jeans, but starting a new job on Monday and depending on how often/easy it is to ride may need overpants instead (have to dress "business casual", which is ridiculous, I wear a tie to the bar, why can't I wear one to work!)

BTW I e-mailed S&S about the jacket, I was curious as most websites list it as a vest liner, and do not mention back armor. I tried it on (and indeed confirmed today when purchased) it has a full sleeve liner and back armor. They e-mailed back saying that is not true, and I said well I tried it on and it definitely had full sleeve liner, back armor I would have to double-check. They responded that it was their mistake about liner, but no spine armor and I noticed their website is already updated to list full-sleeve liner :D. Curiously enough, my jacket came with spine armor, I doubt the dealer threw them in for care and giggles? Will have to send them another email!

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#18 Unread post by totalmotorcycle » Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:30 am

The gear looks good and looks like it will protect you well. The "boots" are interesting, are they shoe rubber soles or??

Although I would caution it is very dark and mono-tone, which may cause you to be more unseen on the roads. Make sure you get a brighter helmet or wear some reflectiveness on you.

Dark clothing increases the odds of those left hand turns in front of you and the "But officer, I didn't see him".
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#19 Unread post by JVRR » Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:41 pm

totalmotorcycle wrote:The gear looks good and looks like it will protect you well. The "boots" are interesting, are they shoe rubber soles or??

Although I would caution it is very dark and mono-tone, which may cause you to be more unseen on the roads. Make sure you get a brighter helmet or wear some reflectiveness on you.

Dark clothing increases the odds of those left hand turns in front of you and the "But officer, I didn't see him".
Cannot really tell about the bottom, but they are covered in hard armor and have a very nice heel/ankle cage. I am very confident in them, and still comfortable enough (I think, we will see when tested!) to spend a day out in them.

I am on a bright yellow bike, if they do not see me, I was doing something wrong :lol:.
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