About to be a proud new owner of an 82 Nighthawk 650 as my first bike EVER! So... yeah, kinda excited.

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#1 Unread post by juntjoo » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:24 pm

What should I know about this bike and riding in general if anything at all. I almost know nothing about bikes, just assume basic mechanical knowledge from cars, so basically my impression from what I've read this is a reliable bike with a little Honda civic engine in it with four inline cylinders as opposed to two. Not sure what that means but I'll consider it double meaning twice as good lol. I'm guessing smoother more balanced operation. ... and that it's the last of the SOHC's before they went up to DOHC's meaning less power but easier maintenance and reliability and parts availability. But I don't get the shaft drive but whatever. I get less power loss in a chain!

Anyway I'm getting it for 2k. It's got a bit over 6k miles and it's barely got any signs of rust. Saw one nick in the paint job. Has been garage kept. He didn't start it for me as he has keep it up on the trailer that comes with the deal and he says he's kept it winterized and says he changes the oil every year regardless and showed me the clean oil and clean interior of the gas tank. He rode it last in 09 and has just kept it in the garage ever since. He says expect it might not start at first. Might need a tune up, but that it ran perfect in 09. So a bit of a gamble but it looks to have been babied, and I also take note of the environment and the owner all which looked pretty up-kept and clean -he's just older now and fell off his roof a couple years back so now he's selling his old toys. So anyone else have one of these?

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#2 Unread post by dr_bar » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:30 am

First things first, get training. It will supply you with the absolute basic skills that will help you survive this crazy lifestyle we love on two wheels...
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#3 Unread post by GS_in_CO » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:06 am

If it was parked in '09 and hasn't been run then the carbs are probably gummed up and the gas tank may be rusty inside unless the previous owner took pains to properly store it (chances are that this was not done).

Treat learning ride as you would treat learning to fly. It looks easy and you may think you know a lot from driving 4 wheeled vehicles but you are way more vulnerable and, whether they know it or not, the other drivers are out to kill you.
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#4 Unread post by juntjoo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:54 am

GS_in_CO wrote:If it was parked in '09 and hasn't been run then the carbs are probably gummed up and the gas tank may be rusty inside unless the previous owner took pains to properly store it (chances are that this was not done).

Treat learning ride as you would treat learning to fly. It looks easy and you may think you know a lot from driving 4 wheeled vehicles but you are way more vulnerable and, whether they know it or not, the other drivers are out to kill you.

Thank you. I hear ya loud and clear. Out to kill me, intentionally or not. So he said he has "winterized" which I'm assuming covers tank maintenance along with the proclaimed yearly oil changes. From looking down in from above it looked clean save for some slight brownish discoloration but nothing scary. Should I take some sort of carb cleaner spray with me? Could that be enough to clear up some gummage? I'm planning on at least checking that it cranks ruling out any possible electric/starter issues, bringing cables, and if I could get it to actually start that would be reassuring, tho probably won't be necessary. ... Or would dirty 7 year sleeping carbs probably need an overhaul? Thanks!

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#5 Unread post by juntjoo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:59 am

dr_bar wrote:First things first, get training. It will supply you with the absolute basic skills that will help you survive this crazy lifestyle we love on two wheels...

Yes, thanks. Licence, training, helmut, gloves, saddlebags, on my list things to prepare by the time I get it primed and ready to go.

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juntjoo wrote:So he said he has "winterized" which I'm assuming covers tank maintenance along with the proclaimed yearly oil changes. From looking down in from above it looked clean save for some slight brownish discoloration but nothing scary. Should I take some sort of carb cleaner spray with me? Could that be enough to clear up some gummage? I'm planning on at least checking that it cranks ruling out any possible electric/starter issues, bringing cables, and if I could get it to actually start that would be reassuring, tho probably won't be necessary. ... Or would dirty 7 year sleeping carbs probably need an overhaul? Thanks!
Winterization won't help with tank rust. Essentially condensation builds up in the tank, runs down the sides and adds water to the mix. Water leads to increased rust. The issue is you'll find this low in the saddle of the tank where you can't see it in a visual inspection short of draining the tank and using an inspection camera.

If he winterized it appropriately - it would fire up. If the carbs are gummed up, he didn't winterize it well. I winterized a tractor and didn't use it for 3 years. Added fuel and a new battery and she fired right up.

Either way- letting a bike sit that long leads to dry rot. You'll want to replace the vacum tubes, fuel lines, flush the brakes, replace the tires, lube movement points on the chasis and make sure the chain is still in good condition (not binding)
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#7 Unread post by juntjoo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:52 am

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juntjoo wrote:So he said he has "winterized" which I'm assuming covers tank maintenance along with the proclaimed yearly oil changes. From looking down in from above it looked clean save for some slight brownish discoloration but nothing scary. Should I take some sort of carb cleaner spray with me? Could that be enough to clear up some gummage? I'm planning on at least checking that it cranks ruling out any possible electric/starter issues, bringing cables, and if I could get it to actually start that would be reassuring, tho probably won't be necessary. ... Or would dirty 7 year sleeping carbs probably need an overhaul? Thanks!
Winterization won't help with tank rust. Essentially condensation builds up in the tank, runs down the sides and adds water to the mix. Water leads to increased rust. The issue is you'll find this low in the saddle of the tank where you can't see it in a visual inspection short of draining the tank and using an inspection camera.

If he winterized it appropriately - it would fire up. If the carbs are gummed up, he didn't winterize it well. I winterized a tractor and didn't use it for 3 years. Added fuel and a new battery and she fired right up.

Either way- letting a bike sit that long leads to dry rot. You'll want to replace the vacum tubes, fuel lines, flush the brakes, replace the tires, lube movement points on the chasis and make sure the chain is still in good condition (not binding)

Thank you. great info

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#8 Unread post by GS_in_CO » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:00 pm

I'd like to know what the seller means when he says he winterized it. Definitions can vary substantially.

I would NOT use the fuel that's in the tank at all. Ideally the guy topped off the tank with Stabil-treated fuel, closed the fuel petcock, it doesn't leak at all, and he drained the carbs dry when storing it. If you were to find the bike in this ideal condition you should drain the fuel tank thru the petcock all the way down to Reserve into a gas can and safely discard that gas. Then install fresh gas. Opening the petcock to allow old fuel into the carbs is just begging for trouble.

If the carbs are gummed - chances are they won't be cleared with carb cleaner spray while still on the bike. But you can cross your fingers. But then again, carb cleaner spray hurts rubber parts so dousing the carbs with it will just create further problems. (the problems are inside the carbs anyway so getting the cleaner to the gummy parts is tricky)

And as storysununfolding said - there's a lot more needed for the bike to be safe and reliable after storage. Looking after the brakes (rusted in place?) and putting new tires on (old ones are hard, cracked, and slippery) are at the top of the list.

Still, it sounds like a fun project and a great bike to start with.
(Power loss because of shaft drive is totally irrelevant to you at this point in your riding career. )
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#9 Unread post by dr_bar » Tue Mar 08, 2016 5:17 pm

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dr_bar wrote:First things first, get training. It will supply you with the absolute basic skills that will help you survive this crazy lifestyle we love on two wheels...

Yes, thanks. Licence, training, helmut, gloves, saddlebags, on my list things to prepare by the time I get it primed and ready to go.

Where's a like button when you need one... ;)
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#10 Unread post by JackoftheGreen » Tue Mar 08, 2016 8:29 pm

Consider closely what storysunfolding had to say about neglected bikes. It seems counterintuitive, but it's usually better to get a bike with more miles that's been regularly used than one that has sat, winterized or not. Plenty of things can go wrong with the works other than the fuel system, and before you know it you could be another $2k into the bike before it's serviceable.

At $2k there should be some other options for you, look for early to mid 2000's small-displacement sport or adventure bikes. Unless you really REALLY like the Nighthawk. If it's just a price point thing, keep searching.

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#11 Unread post by storysunfolding » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:34 pm

I missed the $2k... You can buy a running Vulcan 500 inside the DC beltway for $2k. 20 years newer, better motor, great sound. Pre 85 nighthawk is... Ok but not worth $2k
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#12 Unread post by juntjoo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:51 pm

Thanks all. Too late now lol. Keeping my fingers crossed as I'm inspecting this bike and finding all the missing screws and what-not. I'll figure it all out and report back.

I wanted a cruiser initially but when I found this bike, others browsing CL, I fell for it's hybrid style. Again, I've never ridden so I'm going off my imagination but I so far I like the way it feels under my butt. Just gotta get it in good health hopefully for not too much money. We'll see...

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#13 Unread post by juntjoo » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:47 pm

Oh no, what's the part called that opens the fuel tank up? The switch with the reserve setting. That's leaking. No wonder he didn't want to put gas in it. Is there a gasket in that to change or just change out the whole part?

Also the front brake system is clogged or something. I put some fluid in and it didn't go down. And I couldn't suck any through the bleeder valves/nipples whatever they're called. Is there some flushing procedure/solution? I shall start googling....

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#14 Unread post by storysunfolding » Tue Mar 08, 2016 11:55 pm

You want a petcock (fuel valve) rebuild kit. Can't hurt to do a master cylinder rebuild kit (brakes) and switch to steel braided lines at the same time.

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#15 Unread post by juntjoo » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:18 am

storysunfolding wrote:You want a petcock (fuel valve) rebuild kit. Can't hurt to do a master cylinder rebuild kit (brakes) and switch to steel braided lines at the same time.

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Thanks. No pics yet cuz my camera is broken. Gotta fix that too! Ugh. Okay, petcock, funny name. It looks small enough to just replace but I'll take your suggestion into account. I'm not looking at it at the moment but I thought I saw it was held together with a could rivits instead of bolts. Will look into it tomorrow. Steel braided and MC rebuild. Or get a whole new one as the lever is broke at the very end. No biggie. I just want to get this running first of all. Will look into some sort of flushing solution if available. Trying to minimize costs, initially at least. Will check online for a manual. That's what I need...

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#16 Unread post by storysunfolding » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:28 am

Worry about safety.

If I were you Id inventory what I need first. No way you are getting around not buying new tires. Carbs are going to need to be pulled and cleaned. Brake system rebuilt (you can try flushing fluid through it by opening the nipple as you squeeze the lever - a bottle might do it- then bleed the air out), new fuel lines, no vaccum lines, new battery, and petcock rebuild to start.

Begin pricing it out but remember a motorcycle is already dangerous - don't cut corners fixing it. Take your time.
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#17 Unread post by juntjoo » Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:42 am

storysunfolding wrote:Worry about safety.

If I were you Id inventory what I need first. No way you are getting around not buying new tires. Carbs are going to need to be pulled and cleaned. Brake system rebuilt (you can try flushing fluid through it by opening the nipple as you squeeze the lever - a bottle might do it- then bleed the air out), new fuel lines, no vaccum lines, new battery, and petcock rebuild to start.

Begin pricing it out but remember a motorcycle is already dangerous - don't cut corners fixing it. Take your time.
Thank you. I hear ya. Being that I've never ridden I'm in no rush to ride more than around a few blocks within my vicinity under 30 for a good while. And I'm not young and made of rubber so I'm not planning on taking many risks, beyond simply riding a motorcycle.

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#18 Unread post by GS_in_CO » Wed Mar 09, 2016 8:30 am

Since I last looked at this thread the value of that motorcycle has plummeted as the actual condition is being revealed.

If you can't flush brake fluid thru it then chances are that the pistons are rusted because the fluid has never been changed.
If the petcock is leaking and the tank is empty not only does the petcock need to be rebuilt or replaced but the tank is likely rusty because instead of being immersed fully in gasoline, the tank interior has been exposed to air and moisture the entire time - that after the gasoline has stripped any possible oil film that could have protected it.

Projects are fine but it sounds like there are a lot of obstacles between you and actually riding.
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#19 Unread post by juntjoo » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:33 am

storysunfolding wrote:You want a petcock (fuel valve) rebuild kit. Can't hurt to do a master cylinder rebuild kit (brakes) and switch to steel braided lines at the same time.

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#20 Unread post by storysunfolding » Wed Mar 09, 2016 9:39 am

Check out this site. http://www.partsnmore.com/parts/honda/c ... rs[page]=2

Grab the fuel valve and brake rebuild kits. If you can afford another grand it would be easier to have a mechanic do this for you. If not, see if you can find a local forum and wrenching day for assistance.

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