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#1 Unread post by Jamers! » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:01 am

Hey all, im looking at getting a dual sport as my next bike. MY biggest question really is how capable they are. IM looking at all models sorry i cant narrow it down yet. Which are the most rounded, best value, most street/dirt worthy? The yamaha xt225 appeals to me but do does the DRZ series, are the bigger engines worth it or should i stick to the 250-400 range? Thanks all



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#2 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:15 am

I'm a fan of the XR650L myself. Others like the KLR650 as well. As far as i can tell, if you want a road bike with offroad capabilities, get the KLR650. If you want a dirtbike with road-going capabilities, get the XR650L. The XT225 felt REALLY small, no bigger than my XR200R (maybe smaller) where the KLR250 is close in size to the KLR650.
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#3 Unread post by Jamers! » Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:25 am

GeoffEX650R wrote:I'm a fan of the XR650L myself. Others like the KLR650 as well. As far as i can tell, if you want a road bike with offroad capabilities, get the KLR650. If you want a dirtbike with road-going capabilities, get the XR650L. The XT225 felt REALLY small, no bigger than my XR200R (maybe smaller) where the KLR250 is close in size to the KLR650.


how do the smaller engines hold up to highway speeds, they do as fine as the 250 street engines do or what?


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#4 Unread post by MotoF150 » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:07 am

The BEST dual sport is the Suzuki DRZ400S, it will go 90 mph as a road bike, plus perform off road as good as any motocrosser. The Kawasaki and Suzuki 650 is better suited as a street bike, and the Honda 650 is better suited as a off road bike, its geared low. The Suzuki DRZ400S has the best balance of both types of riding, a great street and dirt bike performance. The Kawasaki 650 has a big oversized gas tank if you fill it up it makes the bike too top heavy and hard to handle, the Honda 650 is geared low and it will scream at speeds above 55 mph, the Suzuki 650 is a great street bike, but it stinks off road. Go with the Suzuki DRZ400S its the best its easy to ride and handle, the power for a 400cc will surprize you, light weight, if you dump it you can pick it up yourself, suppose ur out riding all alone and you dump ur bike, who will help you pick up ur bike? The DRZ400 is light enough that a woman can pick it up.
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#5 Unread post by BuzZz » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:33 pm

MotoF150 wrote:The BEST dual sport is the Suzuki DRZ400S, it will go 90 mph as a road bike, plus perform off road as good as any motocrosser.....
This is proof that Moto rides like a girl. :roll:

The DRZ is a good choice, and is a decent trailbike. But it is no way, shape or form a Motocrosser. Damper rod forks and non-adjustable suspension were run off the track 20 years ago.

That said, the Suzuki is a good pick. I would also look at the KTMs. Wonderful motors and modern suspension capable of honest off-raod work. Still gonna get it's azz handed to it by an MXer in the dirt, but not so badly as the other bikes listed. And you do pay for that quality stuff....
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#6 Unread post by MotoF150 » Sun Jun 25, 2006 5:56 pm

Mr Buzz he's looking for a street legal dual sport bike, KTM only makes a 950 that costs $12K, maybe you should read the question he asks before you insert ur foot in ur mouth
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#7 Unread post by NorthernPete » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:21 pm

actually KTM makes a 620's and 640s that are street legal, they just aint available in the USA.



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#8 Unread post by Gadjet » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:22 pm

MotoF150 wrote:Mr Buzz he's looking for a street legal dual sport bike, KTM only makes a 950 that costs $12K, maybe you should read the question he asks before you insert ur foot in ur mouth
Guess you've never seen KTM's 525 or 640 then
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#9 Unread post by MotoF150 » Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:01 pm

no I have never seen a street legal KTM, the only street legal KTM thats legal in the U.S. is the 950 that costs $12K, and I don't think anybody wants to spend that much for a street legal dirt bike.
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#10 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:15 pm

MotoF150 wrote:no I have never seen a street legal KTM, the only street legal KTM thats legal in the U.S. is the 950 that costs $12K, and I don't think anybody wants to spend that much for a street legal dirt bike.
weird, my old boss has a ktm 525 on the road!

And another thing, living in CA the deserts aren't that far from you. Nothing beats baja blasting like a big bore dirt bike (XR650R :mrgreen: ) and the XR650L is just an older R with a light kit. Long suspension travel, tons of power to really get your "O Ring" into gear, and best of all, ride it from the dunes to the road. Moto IS right about the big "O Ring" gas tank on the KLR, but for the wrong reason. It's wider than the XR, so it'll be a bit trickier fitting between narrow spaces on a trail.

Word of advice, dual sport tires don't do road OR off-road riding as well as a dedicated road or off road tire. If you DO want the KLR and DO plan on going offroad, you might want to look into getting something more aggressive for tires than come OEM. At least this is what i gather from comparing the pics of the XR vs the KLR. I believe i read a post of Gadjet's (back in the WhyteGryphon days) of him commenting about how squirrely the "O Ring" end got when he took it off-road once, i THINK into either deep sand or some mud. But, i could be totally mistaken and making "poo poo" up.
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#11 Unread post by Gadjet » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:43 pm

You're right Geoff, about the stock tires on the KLR being 'less than ideal' in mud.

I found that they were actually really good in hardpack and light sand, and did reasonably well on pavement.

I ran a Maxxis C6006 50/50 tire for a short period of time (<2000km) and found it to be really good on gravel and handled exceptionally well on pavement (for a knobby tire), but it absolutely sucked in loose sand and dirt - the only time I've really come close to going down in the dirt was with this tire, and that was due to it hooking up on alternate sides coming out of a ditch - threw the bike sideways when I crested the top.

I'm currently running Kenda K761 tires front and rear on my KLR, and I love them. they are more purely a street tire, but the rear can handle light sand and dirt relatively well, but gets a bit squirrely on gravel roads. I don't know how the front will do, as the last time I ran a 761 rear I still had the stock dunlop front tire on the bike (18000km and finally decided to change it out - still has about 1000km of life left in it at least)

As for the KLR being top heavy and hard to handle (or pick up), that's a load of crap - mostly

Yes, it can be top heavy when the tank is full, but it certainly isn't hard to manage. The wide bars make it very easy to control the bike, whether you are moving through traffic in town or cruising down a rough trail. I'm not a very big guy (5'8", 150lbs) and I have no problem handling this bike. Did I mention that I had never ridden any kind of dirt bike before I got my KLR a year ago?

The bike is very easy to pick up, if you know how to do it. I'm not a very strong guy by any means, but I can pick my bike up in under 10 seconds without breaking a sweat.

So can my girlfriend.

As a full on trailbike, I wouldn't choose the KLR, but if you are looking to go blasting along fireroads or through similar places, it really is a good solid bike that can take a beating.

Check out the KLR specific forums at http://www.klr650.net for more knowledge about the venerable KLR than you can shake a stick at.

definitely check out the ride videos there as well, for some truly amazing footage of just what the KLR650 is capable of.
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#12 Unread post by BuzZz » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:12 am

MotoF150 wrote:Mr Buzz he's looking for a street legal dual sport bike, KTM only makes a 950 that costs $12K, maybe you should read the question he asks before you insert ur foot in ur mouth
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If you can bring yourself to buy used (I realize this is likely beneath you, but the O.P. may not have the same hang-up) the 400, 450, 520/525 RXC's are awesome offroad bikes that are also street legal.
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#13 Unread post by Jamers! » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:26 am

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If you can bring yourself to buy used (I realize this is likely beneath you, but the O.P. may not have the same hang-up) the 400, 450, 520/525 RXC's are awesome offroad bikes that are also street legal.


the OP would love to buy new, just cant :), then agian not having to deal with break in procedures and comprehensive insurance is a plus to me :)


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#14 Unread post by BuzZz » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:04 am

Then a used RXC is a definate option. Quality bikes, built with top-shelf parts and far ahead of thier time in the dual sport realm. And used they will be a bit more than a comparable Japanese bike of the same ear, but the difference will be less than what is buying either bike new.

The only problem is they ain't as easy to find as japanese D/S's.... less bikes sold at the time, and those what got 'em, tend to want to keep 'em. :?
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#15 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:24 am

JWF505 wrote:the OP would love to buy new, just cant :), then agian not having to deal with break in procedures and comprehensive insurance is a plus to me :)


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#16 Unread post by Jamers! » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:49 am

GeoffEX650R wrote:
JWF505 wrote:the OP would love to buy new, just cant :), then agian not having to deal with break in procedures and comprehensive insurance is a plus to me :)


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true, but if you finance it, which i probably would have to, you would need comprehensive insurance because you do not own it.



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#17 Unread post by MotoF150 » Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:41 pm

If you do own a Suzuki DRZ400 you will be respected by the serious off road dirt bike riders, its the only true dirt bike thats street legal you can buy. Chop the back fender and install street legal knobbies and it looks like a motocrosser. Another bike is the new Kawasaki 250 thats street legal, I seen one in action and I was impressed, except for the rattling rear fender that hangs down low.
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#18 Unread post by Ninja Geoff » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:59 am

JWF505 wrote:
GeoffEX650R wrote:
JWF505 wrote:the OP would love to buy new, just cant :), then agian not having to deal with break in procedures and comprehensive insurance is a plus to me :)


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true, but if you finance it, which i probably would have to, you would need comprehensive insurance because you do not own it.



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#19 Unread post by NorthernPete » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:39 pm

the only time you should need full coverage for insurance would be if you were leasing. financing they shouldnt care....
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#20 Unread post by Big B » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:58 pm

NorthernPete wrote:the only time you should need full coverage for insurance would be if you were leasing. financing they shouldnt care....
depends where you are, in wisconsin it's required if you're financing.
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