Hayabusa = No Helmet?

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#31 Unread post by allawybiker »

ok, so I decided to jump in here. This is getting really stupid. If you look at the helmet you will clearly see multiple deep scratches on several locations/sides, plus the hinge mechanism is broken - do you know how hard it is to break these things? Try it with a helmet (pref. old :) ) and tell me if you would do the same to your head. Also, we have not seen the other side of this helmet! :wink: The point to consider is, what do you think the injuries his head would have sustained had it been IT experiencing the force of the multiple impacts/slides instead of the helmet? And please do not try to convince us that his head would have fared better...
At the end of the day, it is YOUR head to either protect or crack. But please do not give advice to new riders that helmets injure, that is just wrong and irresponsible.
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#32 Unread post by iwannadie »

again think what you like but obviously theres a problem with certian helmets. and it makes a great deal of sense to see a helmet with a faulty hing breaking loose forcing pieces of the helmet into your temple. sure the head injury would had been bad but noone knows how bad, could had been scratchs and cuts thats it. the helmet obviously broke and forced pieces into the poor guys temple.

like saying riding with a helemt with a giant spike sticking out of the top couldnt possible do you any harm when you crash...

the skull is very strong it takes what 1600 psi to crush it.
but im done with this thread, think all you want that halo on your head will save your life untill an actually accident happens and it causes more harm than not having it, your rolling the dice and beating on the odds is all.
allawybiker wrote:ok, so I decided to jump in here. This is getting really stupid. If you look at the helmet you will clearly see multiple deep scratches on several locations/sides, plus the hinge mechanism is broken - do you know how hard it is to break these things? Try it with a helmet (pref. old :) ) and tell me if you would do the same to your head. Also, we have not seen the other side of this helmet! :wink: The point to consider is, what do you think the injuries his head would have sustained had it been IT experiencing the force of the multiple impacts/slides instead of the helmet? And please do not try to convince us that his head would have fared better...
At the end of the day, it is YOUR head to either protect or crack. But please do not give advice to new riders that helmets injure, that is just wrong and irresponsible.
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#33 Unread post by Telesque »

I see a lot of logic in iwannadie's arguement.

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#34 Unread post by High_Side »

Telesque wrote: Expecting mod edits. Sorry felllas. :?

I'd like to think that we keep things more open that THAT!
The friend with the ST would be dead without a helmet plain and simple. Is a hard shell-non-flip full-face helmet better than a flip? Absolutely. Is the flip better than your skull? Absolutely. As a wise man once said: Those who believe that wearing a helmet is of no benefit to themselves are likely right..... :laughing:

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#35 Unread post by Sev »

Well this thread isn't locked yet so I'll throw in my two cents.

I still have a face because I was wearing a full-face helmet when I crashed. I'm not sure how many of you have seen pictures of road rash, but over a month later I can tell you that even light road rash is VERY painfull. Now imagine that it was your head that took that sort of a beating.

Your skull might take 1600 psi to crush (though I cannot help but think that number is WAY high) it takes remarkably little time for asphault to scrape all the skin off it down to the bone. And it takes years of reconstructive surgery to rebuild that.

I'm going to have a couple of huge scars on my knees for the rest of my life, and I have to live with that. This is because of a light brush with road rash. I'm glad that I had a helmet there to make sure the same didn't happen to my face. Chicks might dig scars, but ones that are attracted to horrible facial disfigurement are rare to say the least.

It's your right to put your life on the line out there, however I hope that in Canada if you choose to ride without a helmet (against the law here) that the medical system will refuse to treat you for any life threatening head injuries. My tax dollars pay for medical treatments here, and if you choose to do something as stupid as ride helmetless then I hope that you die of whatever injuries you sustain. I don't want to see my money wasted on someone who doesn't care about his life enough to wear a 2lb peice of plastic.

Every year a hundred? people die as a result of airbags or seatbelts. Could be more, could be less (this is one of those stats I made up on the spot). However imagine how many lives are saved as a result of these. Just because a minute minority of the population is killed by these safety devices it does not make it sensible to not use them.

You wouldn't walk into a heavy construction zone without a hardhat and steel toes. Why would you ride a bike over asphault without a helmet?
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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Sevulturus wrote:It's your right to put your life on the line out there, however I hope that in Canada if you choose to ride without a helmet (against the law here) that the medical system will refuse to treat you for any life threatening head injuries.
Would you offer that same response to someone injured in a car accident because they weren't wearing a seatbelt? Or someone who was injured on a bike because they were wearing a full-face helmet, sandals, shorts and a t-shirt?
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#37 Unread post by Telesque »

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Or this guy:

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#38 Unread post by High_Side »

Telesque wrote: Or this guy:

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#39 Unread post by iwannadie »

Sevulturus wrote:Well this thread isn't locked yet so I'll throw in my two cents.
It's your right to put your life on the line out there, however I hope that in Canada if you choose to ride without a helmet (against the law here) that the medical system will refuse to treat you for any life threatening head injuries. My tax dollars pay for medical treatments here, and if you choose to do something as stupid as ride helmetless then I hope that you die of whatever injuries you sustain. I don't want to see my money wasted on someone who doesn't care about his life enough to wear a 2lb peice of plastic.
i cant help but say how wrong that is. its sad you think that way and your lucky the medical team that treated you for your accident werent the type of people that think this way towards any motorcycle rider.

they could have seen you come in knowing you were on the bike with injurys and said "he was taking a stupid risk by not being in a car so why should we treat him" but i guess that doesnt matter to you. anything that goes against your beleifs is wrong and therefore noone should do it cause you dont. maybe they dont want to see their money wasted on someone that rides a motorcycle and not a car.

maybe a kid riding a bicycle shouldnt be treated when hes in an accident and left to sit in a coma and die cause he had no helmet? or maybe a person crossing the street and hit by a car should be left to die after all if they valued their life they wouldnt cross a dangerous road would they? most certainly to hell with anyone that has a helmet that gets thrown off during the accident obviously they should be refused treatment as well?

hey were you wearing full leathers during your accident, maybe that was a sign to refuse you treatment after all anyone smart enough would value their skin and put on a protective layer of leather right? i mean how can you care about your skin so much and not protect it while riding then expect a hospital to treat you? maybe if you had leathers you wouldnt have torn up knees? but again you didnt think about any of this did you.

your judging others the same way people judge you, both cases are wrong and its sad you will never come to under stand that no matter what anyone says, maybe when your older you wont be so quick to judge and condem everyone that differs from you.

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Sevulturus wrote:It's your right to put your life on the line out there, however I hope that in Canada if you choose to ride without a helmet (against the law here) that the medical system will refuse to treat you for any life threatening head injuries. My tax dollars pay for medical treatments here, and if you choose to do something as stupid as ride helmetless then I hope that you die of whatever injuries you sustain. I don't want to see my money wasted on someone who doesn't care about his life enough to wear a 2lb peice of plastic.
The emergency rooms are full of people who have done stupid things. Heart attack victims who eat too many cheese-burgers, people who stood on the top step of a step ladder that was labled "DO NOT STEP", or people who forgot to look up before crossing the street. Many people also see someone who forgoes the safety of riding in a car for riding on a motorcycle as stupid. Lets hope it doesn't come down to someone judging at the emergency room door whether or not tax dollars are being wasted. This is a VERY slippery slope none of us want to embark on.....

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