And another game is banned at school

[ArcticHarleyMan]

My wife is a teacher and she tells me the same things. Too many parents rely on the educational system to teach the kids basic rules of conduct. That was always taught in my home. We never depended on the teachers to do it. Nowadays, parents seem to have kids, ship them off to daycare while they go to work, bring in the babysitter until the parents get home, ship them off to school when they get to that age, and depend on the teachers to be the babysitters for 6 hours a day, then get the babysitter back again to look after them until the parents come home from work Then, how many of the parents take an interest in what their kids have been taught at school? My wife usually ends up doing her full 8 hours at the school, not including lunch break tutoring of students who really want it, then coming home and tutoring more students until supper time, then sometimes tutoring more after supper. Where are the parents during this tutoring? Personally, I get a bit pissed because it leaves very little time for me and my wife to spend together.

[fireguzzi]

What pisses me off is that everything that we taught our kid about behavior seems to have been tossed completely out the window since he started pre K.

He came home the other day and called his mom the "N" word!!!!!
I was so pissed I thought I was gonna pop a blood vessel in my brain.
When questioned about it he said another little boy called another little boy that.
I know the teachers can't be everywhere all the time,but it seems to me they would have heard that being in a small classroom like that.

But his whole attitude in general has gotten worse since starting school. The other parents are more to blame then the teachers i guess, but it still pisses me off.

Hopefully I can afford private school before he gets out of elementry school.

[blues2cruise]

+1 to Loonette, CNF, and Roscowgo. Best thread on here in a long time.

Ditto what you all said.

I had many battle with my daughter, but today she is an independent responsible adult with a great job.
We also rough housed and played tag and hide and seek and hiked and camped.....and heaven forbid, she played competitve soccer for ten years.
Kids need all kinds of activities tomake them well rounded adults (not the fat kind of well rounded ). Tag is a great way for kids to learn sportsmanship and rules and stay fit at the same tag.

There were a lot of kids in my neighbourhood when I was growing up. We regularly played outside doing the things kids love to do. Kick the can, dodge ball, red rover, tag and statue tag, softball, etc.
I don't recall anyone ever getting any serious injuries...ever...

I think the school is afraid of a frivolous lawsuit.

[camthepyro]

fireguzzi Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:00 am Post subject:

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What pisses me off is that everything that we taught our kid about behavior seems to have been tossed completely out the window since he started pre K.

He came home the other day and called his mom the "N" word!!!!!
I was so pissed I thought I was gonna pop a blood vessel in my brain.
When questioned about it he said another little boy called another little boy that.
I know the teachers can't be everywhere all the time,but it seems to me they would have heard that being in a small classroom like that.

But his whole attitude in general has gotten worse since starting school. The other parents are more to blame then the teachers i guess, but it still pisses me off.

Hopefully I can afford private school before he gets out of elementry school.

I wouldn't go with that, from what I've seen (having just got out of school myself a year ago), kids that go to privates schools are even more sheltered then those who go to public schools. If you son says something he shouldn't, tell it's wrong, if he does again, slap him on the back of the head, then he'll stop.

[fireguzzi]

Yeah, I don't want him to be too sheltered because I don't want him to grow up and become another clueless cow in the heard. I want him to know whats really going on in the world especially politically and environmentally.

I just hate that he has to be exposed to racist people so early. ( I know that the kid who said the n word is not a racist, just the unfortunate product of some down south ignorant fuc head who can't understand that there are other people in his world that don't want to raise their kids to be like them and therefore teach their kids their screwed up point of view and therefore spread that ignorance through their children to mine!)

This is my first child, and I am doing my best to get it right.

[CNF2002]

If you son says something he shouldn't, tell it's wrong, if he does again, slap him on the back of the head, then he'll stop.

Yeah right...these days you will land yourself in prison for that. You can't even spank anymore.

[camthepyro]

Hell, whenever I have kids, I'll do just that. That's what my dad did, that's what his dad did, and his dad did, and so on. Seems to have worked fine for all of them, just because everyone all of the sudden decided kids shouldn't be punished, does mean I have to follow their example. I don't believe in unneccesarily spanking a kid, but if they deserve, then they deserve it, period. It's not like a simple spanking is going to phsyically or pyshcologically scar a kid for life, but it will show them there are consequences for their actions.

Of course, I guess I could always make them go sit in there room for an hour (where they'd rather be anyway, playing xbox or watching tv, or surfing the internet), see how much good that does.

[CNF2002]

Hell, whenever I have kids, I'll do just that. That's what my dad did, that's what his dad did, and his dad did, and so on. Seems to have worked fine for all of them, just because everyone all of the sudden decided kids shouldn't be punished, does mean I have to follow their example. I don't believe in unneccesarily spanking a kid, but if they deserve, then they deserve it, period. It's not like a simple spanking is going to phsyically or pyshcologically scar a kid for life, but it will show them there are consequences for their actions.

Of course, I guess I could always make them go sit in there room for an hour (where they'd rather be anyway, playing xbox or watching tv, or surfing the internet), see how much good that does.

Question is how to you punish a child when they kid knows they can call CPS as soon as you touch them and launch an investigate for 'spanking'? Kids know they can get away with this stuff.

Btw, I'm a firm believer in not having a TV, xbox, or computer in the child's room. The family has one of each and they all must share.

[camthepyro]

Well in my case, I bought my own tv, Nintendo 64, computer etc. when I was young, so in my opinion if I payed for them (with money I earned various ways when I was young, mowing lawns, etc.), I should be able to keep them in my room.

As far as the investigation thing, if the kid is smart enough to know he can call child services, he is also smart enough to know that going to foster home is much worse then getting a spanking he deserved. Plus, I doubt any jury would charge a parent as guilty of child abuse for giving them a formal spanking.

And by formal, I mean that you calmly walk up to the kid, tell them what they did wrong, and why they derserve their punishment (in this case a spanking).

[CNF2002]

Well in my case, I bought my own tv, Nintendo 64, computer etc. when I was young, so in my opinion if I payed for them (with money I earned various ways when I was young, mowing lawns, etc.), I should be able to keep them in my room.

As far as the investigation thing, if the kid is smart enough to know he can call child services, he is also smart enough to know that going to foster home is much worse then getting a spanking he deserved. Plus, I doubt any jury would charge a parent as guilty of child abuse for giving them a formal spanking.

And by formal, I mean that you calmly walk up to the kid, tell them what they did wrong, and why they derserve their punishment (in this case a spanking).

I dunno...I don't think any kid would call the CPS expecting or wanting to go to a foster home. It would just be one of those "I have power over you, look how I can put fear into you" just by making the report and inconveniencing the parents.

And cam I will admit that I would have a hard time justifying not letting the kid have those things if it was paid for. But it would be coupled with lessons on managing your finances, like are you saving 10%? Did you just blow your savings on a new TV? What about that name-brand pair of jeans you wanted? Can you still afford it after the TV purchase? If the kid can make enough money to pay for all that plus a cellphone (because you know all kids will have to have one of those) and all the other gadgets, while still making good grades, more power to them!