Ninja 250 !! Really !! You can do Wheelies ?

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#21 Unread post by Shorts »

I think that's point. When you're a new rider, the most basic moves and situations are a struggle. So, instead of adding to the struggle, wait a bit unti l you have better basic control of the bike before taking on new challenges. You will be more likely to be successful in that challenge as well as handle trouble if it arises.


I do understand what you are saying about you don't learn unless you try it. But I didn't start jumping ramps and doing wheels the day after I learned to ride a bicycle ;)
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#22 Unread post by Koss »

I don't think anyone here hates you, even in your past posts ive talked about how similar we are in some aspects. Age, flying, etc...
I think alot of us are just concerned with your saftey and well being. Thats all. Maybe we should all start a saftey brigade and sing Koombiah(sp?) by the fire fueled by burning stunt tapes and black, non-reflective riding gear.

Now that ive broken your rules for posting in here... I guess I can add some tips.

Always cover you rear break, having your foot ready to use it. Not only can you control your climbing rate during a wheelie with your throttle, but also the rate can be controlled with your rear break. So that will help you from tipping to far back.

Roll on wheelies are the easiest, and least dangerous when compaired to like a clutched wheelie. When you are in the rpm range when you have the most torque on hand, goose it a little, back off, and then goose it again giving more and more throttle each time, but stay within that power range. The front should want to come up. An other way is to be in the same rpm range, and kinda kick at or bounce on the pegs. Each way will compress and then decompress the suspension. When the bike is decompressing its easier to do a powered wheelie, synch the throttle and suspension decompression.

Remember to take it SLOWLY, don't try using the clutch for wheelies until you get the hang of this part and are comfortable with landings. When bringing the front wheel back down to earth, you should give the engine some throttle so you wont SLAM the front wheel down, but do a gentle touchdown. Just like landing a plan... dont just completly stall out and lose all your lift, but ride that curve in lift and decent. Smoothness is key with anything motorcycle related.

Wheelies are quite dangerous, I would suggest against doing them until you have many many many many miles under your belt. Also remember that getting the bike up is easy... but landing the bike is what makes it difficult. Just like in an airplane. You have to make sure the front will land inline with the rear. Dont lean to either side when you are in a wheelie... thats for when you have gobs of skills and enough money to front the bill.

I would also suggest taking off anything you dont want to get damaged on the bike. Including fairing, signals, and mirrors.
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#23 Unread post by Shorts »

One thing to add, don't pull up on the handlebars when you try to get the bike up. It can throw off your balance as well as make the front end turn a bit from center. Use the engine to get the bike up, not your muscles.
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#24 Unread post by earwig »

If you play to pictures of gay midgets the skills to do a wheelie will just come to you, trust me.
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#25 Unread post by Koss »

earwig wrote:If you play to pictures of gay midgets the skills to do a wheelie will just come to you, trust me.
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Re: Ninja 250 !! Really !! You can do Wheelies ?

#26 Unread post by DivideOverflow »

accoutred wrote:
So do you get the same oil starvation from riding on a real steap uphill for a while?
On hills that steep, I think your bike would slide backwards.

Most wheelies which can be held in the air are too steep to be compared to a hill that would be encountered on the road. But assuming it were possible to achieve such an angle for an extended period of time, yes... but I don't think there are any paved roads that steep.
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#27 Unread post by Sev »

You will find very very few roads that will achieve the angle most bikes are capable of wheelieing at.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#28 Unread post by flynrider »

silentx wrote: If you fly (seems like you know about flying) you know the role of an instructor is like your dad teaching you how to ride a bike. Instructor can't fly for you or transfer his skills to you so you can land the plane. Instructor will teach you what’s right and how not to exceed the limits. Practice! Practice! Practice! Until you learn. That goes for all the skills we learn in our lives. (Drawing, dancing, driving etc)
Since you fly, let me put the responses you got into perspective. Imagine that you are on a General Aviation website. You tell everyone you have a few hrs. of solo time and you'd like them to tell you how to do a loop or a roll (both very basic manuevers). You'd get exactly the same response. Mainly because your experience level would indicate that you probably haven't mastered basic aircraft control and trying something more advanced is ill advised at this point.

That said, any bike can wheelie. As someone else posted, it just takes lots of practice. The basic procedure is to shift your weight towards the back end, while simultaneously goosing the engine to the high end of the powerband. Using a rear peg for leverage often helps. A good wheelie is done by carefully coordinating power and balance. Any of those parking lot squids that think you need 100 hp at the rear wheel are just using horsepower to compensate for little or no technique. (BTW I wouldn't consider 90% of them to be "professional riders")


If you're seriously considering this, I'd recommend removing the plastic from your Ninja first. With your experience level, I doubt you're going to be able to land that front wheel perfectly straight every time. When you don't, plastic will break. Good Luck.
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#29 Unread post by Sev »

Remember, the bigger you make your back sprocket the easier it'll be to wheelie... lol.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.

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#30 Unread post by silentx »

earwig wrote:If you play to pictures of gay midgets the skills to do a wheelie will just come to you, trust me.
Is that how you learned to wheelie?

Wait... do you do wheelies with your bike Or with your ...... YOU know what

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Oh and would you call that a power wheelie?
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