TOTAL NOOBIE HERE!! NEED HELP!!

[Tigger]

I know for sure that I will want to ride and own a bike soon. I have not taken a course yet but just asking around, I found something unusaul and odd.

I did NOT know that you absolutely can NOT brake while turning.

Someone tell me the "physics" behind this and why you can not do it? What if there is an emergency while you are turning and you need to brake?

I am very dependent on braking while turning, especially in my car. Will I be able to change my habit for the bike?

HELP!!!

[Tigger]

WTF is traction pts. Please elaborate what these are?

[VermilionX]

WTF is traction pts. Please elaborate what these are?

it's just a term.

you do understand the concept of traction right?

anyway, i suggest you buy this book...
http://www.amazon.com/Sport-Riding-Tech ... 1893618072


IMHO... better than hough's books, better than the MSF.

[Sev]

By the time you know how to do it correctly you will know better then to listen to the people who tell you not to brake in a corner.

That being said, don't brake in a corner.

[jonnythan]

Do not brake while turning.

Your tires are using most of their available traction to turn the bike while leaned over.

When you brake, you throw the weight of the bike on the front tire and slow down. By putting more weight on the front tire AND asking it to exert force to slow the bike down, the traction demands on the tire go way, way up. You can easily ask for more traction than the tire can provide. This will cause you to lowside.

The answer is to corner conservatively and be prepared to react by tightening or loosening your turn. You can also panic stop, but get the bike upright first. It's usually better to go off the side of the road somewhat slowly while in a full brake than either hitting an in-road obstruction at full speed or lowsiding and sliding off the road at full speed.

[Kal]

Don't use the front brake in a corner. There is a high possiblity of the front wheel snapping round on you in the direction of the turn and you as the rider being pitched off towards the outside of the turn in what is termed a highside.

In the event of an emergency you will do whatever you do, training improves your chances of you doing the right thing. If at the end of the emergency you are still upright on the bike and you are both unharmed then you probably did the right thing.

The most important riding skill though is to anticipate what is going to happen on the road ahead of you so that you take emergency action only very rarely.

Finally if I am too quick into a corner I can lean the bike further over or feather the clutch or tap the rear brake to stiffen the frame out. For now though I recomend on enhancing your anticipation skills.

[Shorts]

If you NEED to brake during a turn, its an evasive type situatrion and you'll need to get your bike upright before braking hard.

Depending on the surface, braking in a turn can cause the front tire to wash out from underneath you. Or it could catch and flip you over the top. So if you must apply, you better be light on it,


For the most part, when cornering, you should have braked BEFORE entering the turn and your speed should be set as you being the lean and roll on the throttle. If you have to brake when turning, and there isn't a dog in the road, you're going to fast.


If you haven't, and these Qs lead me to believe, take MSF.

[Sev]

For the record, I have used the front brake in a corner at a good speed while leaned over, caught up to my friends on an offramp as I'd slowed down then sped up to have more fun in the corners. So I got on the front brake while leaned over about 30 degrees (so the bike was at 70) And I did not go down. The key is to not fight what the bike does after you apply, and apply them VERY smoothly.


Like I said before.

When you're good enough to brake in a corner you will know better then to listen to us.

That being said, "Do NOT brake in a corner."

[Scott58]

No braking in a turm is a new one on me.

[Sev]

There's a number of bad things that can happen when you get heavy on the brakes in a corner. If you aren't really careful about what you're doing, the best thing that can possibly happen is a lowside. The worst case... a rather spectacular highside into whatever you were trying not to hit in the first place.

I think somewhere in the experienced bikers forums there might be a couple hints on how to brake in a corner (at high speeds). But to be honest it's not something that you need to know so long as you're careful, and even if you get a little reckless, looking through the turn and getting on the gas is probably the better option.