weapons on a bike?

[AZRider]

Switchblade and expandable Police Baton.
If you want to go with a Firearm, the Colt 45. model 1911 is a nice choice. Universally recognized (When you see one, you know EXACTLY what you are looking down the barrel of), and will definitely get the job done.

[Veda]

I read in a previous post that somone wanted to carry a "weapon" on a bike.

Im only 17 and i live in a small town so i dont think i would need a gun. But what else could be considered a weapon? a sword? a knife?

im just kind of questioning what a "weapon" is.... do i need one?

ok, thanks

Are you asking if you need to start carrying a weapon because you're riding a motorcycle? Something like that is really a personal decision but I can't see that owning a motorcycle should impact that decision. Would you carry a weapon on your bicycle or when you go out for a jog?

[2will]

I will not wind up the weapon owners, I will not wind up the weapon owners, I will not...

guilty as charged!

[Apollofrost]

Ok, just my .02, though this is kinda long so it's more like 1.50

At least in california belt buckle knives are illegal, as is any knife that masquerades as something else (lipstick case knives, writing pen knives) so before you purchase one check with local laws. Another thing is that there are limits to the length of a knife that you can have concealed, something like three inches for a folding blade and any sheath knives have to be out in the open, but if you have it clipped to your pocket and a jacket covers it the knife is still technically concealed. Once again check all local laws, "I didn't know" is not a valid excuse. There is more than enough information out there, i suggest you do a google search on "<state> knife laws" or gun laws.

Just throwing this out there, I know you didn't mention one, but, no pistols. First and foremost if you do not have a concrete reason to own a pistol nor the training to use it ( or more importantly not use it ) do not even consider buying or carrying one. No, thinking that you just should have one does not qualify as a concrete reason. Plus, in most states you cannot even own a gun untill age 18 nor get a concealed carry permit untill 21. In california you can't even buy handguns or handgun ammo untill 21.

Weapons in general are a headache that, unless needed, should be left at home. So do you need one? Should you even have one?

Think long and hard on these questions because there are some things you just can't take back.

Is your life in danger? Could you use a weapon if it was? Would you want to?

Do you have the maturity to carry a weapon? this is not a simple question, if someone started a fist fight would you have the self control not to pull out your weapon?

Do you have the self control to walk away from a fight? Would you start fights because you knew you were armed?

Would you show it off to friends?

Why do you wan't one in the first place?

How would you carry it and where would you keep it when you couldn't carry it?

Are you willing do deal with the legal consequences of your actions, even if you are justified?

Just think to yourself about these things before you decide.

[mattyboy]

^ I'd say more like your 5

Good points nonetheless.

[jonnythan]

I think the OP was joking.

[Apollofrost]

^ I'd say more like your 5

Good points nonetheless.

but what's 3.50 between friends?



Gallon of gas, now that I think of it.

Or maybe a bottle of water....

[Shorts]

Hence the "training" part that was suggested. All those questions are answered there. I know - I've been.

Ok, just my .02, though this is kinda long so it's more like 1.50

At least in california belt buckle knives are illegal, as is any knife that masquerades as something else (lipstick case knives, writing pen knives) so before you purchase one check with local laws. Another thing is that there are limits to the length of a knife that you can have concealed, something like three inches for a folding blade and any sheath knives have to be out in the open, but if you have it clipped to your pocket and a jacket covers it the knife is still technically concealed. Once again check all local laws, "I didn't know" is not a valid excuse. There is more than enough information out there, i suggest you do a google search on "<state> knife laws" or gun laws.


That is correct, check the state laws for specifics. Every state is different. Once you find the legitimate laws, print out a copy, keep them in the glove box or where you can access them.

Just throwing this out there, I know you didn't mention one, but, no pistols. First and foremost if you do not have a concrete reason to own a pistol nor the training to use it ( or more importantly not use it ) do not even consider buying or carrying one. No, thinking that you just should have one does not qualify as a concrete reason. Plus, in most states you cannot even own a gun untill age 18 nor get a concealed carry permit untill 21. In california you can't even buy handguns or handgun ammo untill 21.


Again, check state laws. Though concealed carry often has a minimum age limit, that does not negate ownership for target/range/hunting and transport, especially on private property. Also check vehicle laws and land/property laws. Vehicles can have different requirements.


Weapons in general are a headache that, unless needed, should be left at home. So do you need one? Should you even have one?

Your opinion - I haven't found them troublesome. Weapons, in general are a headache if you are not experienced with them and do not know the laws pertaining to them. Check your state laws. Get training. Practice.


Think long and hard on these questions because there are some things you just can't take back.


Is your life in danger? Could you use a weapon if it was? Would you want to?


Education. Training. Practice. Techniques. Muscle memory. Education & TRAINING.


Do you have the maturity to carry a weapon? this is not a simple question, if someone started a fist fight would you have the self control not to pull out your weapon?

Maturity is a very good indicator. If someone started a fist fight with you, there are several options. 1) You can afford to carry or you can afford to have a temper. You cannot afford to have both. 2) If you are in fear for your life, in self defense (look it up in the laws), you can draw your weapon. Is it the first choice you should make?? It depends on the cicumstances surrounding the altercation. Otherwise, get moving away and gone.


Do you have the self control to walk away from a fight? Would you start fights because you knew you were armed?

Refer to my last response. You are correct in asking those questions. One must make the correct decision


Would you show it off to friends?

There's a time and place to show firearms off to friends. But for CCW, NO ONE should know.


Why do you wan't one in the first place?

Good question. But "for fun" is NOT a criminal or bad answer.

How would you carry it and where would you keep it when you couldn't carry it?

That's something that every person must figure out for their schedule and activities. It is different for everyone. It is part of the process, not a problem.


Are you willing do deal with the legal consequences of your actions, even if you are justified?

If you are criminally/legally justified, your big worry will be a civil suit. Know your laws. Carry personal insurance

Just think to yourself about these things before you decide.

Right. Carrying any weapon is making a choice for responsible behavior. You must uphold all parts and set yourself aside to make correct decisions with your brain, not your ego.

[Ninja Geoff]

^fully agree with shorts on all points. And to add to that, anyone you live with that DOES know about the weapons, should get the training too. They may never use the weapon, but it never hurts to know how. Ecspecially if a situation comes up where it falls in their hands. It SHOULDN'T, but it may. Murphy's law, if "poo poo" can hit the fan, it will. Best to be prepared.

Switchblade and expandable Police Baton.

Fully automatics are ilegal to own in most states unless you're Emergency personal (cops, emt, etc) or in the military. And most places require proof of this to even sell.

If you want to go with a Firearm, the Colt 45. model 1911 is a nice choice. Universally recognized (When you see one, you know EXACTLY what you are looking down the barrel of), and will definitely get the job done.

Good gun, but i'd say it's impractical as a carry weapon. Big gun, only 7-8 round mag (unless you go stacked), kick hard enough to make aiming for the second shot a pain, and if you're small, maybe more than you can realisticly handle in a pinch. Hell, I'm big and i'd rather have to pull a 9mm compact frame glock out, aim, and fire multiple rounds, than a 1911 any day (compact frame and .45 caliber = kick like woah! That's why i saw 9mm for the compact frame).

Also, I'd say a glock would be safer to have on a bike than a 1911 for the safeties alone. You can throw one against a wall with a round chambered and it just won't fire. They don't even have external safeties, just 3 internal ones. The firing pin CAN'T move if the trigger isn't depressed. And the trigger can't move unless it's actually pulled IIRC (one of those triggers with a button type thing on it. Similar in style to the AccuTriger off a Savage Arms rifle).

I personally, would go for a Steyr MA-1 chambered in 9mm for a carry gun. Similar safeties as a glock.

[Apollofrost]

Good question. But "for fun" is NOT a criminal or bad answer.

Just to be clear I have no problem with people owning weapons, I own several... dozen. I see no problem with anyone owning a firearm or a knife just because they like it, I collect knives and have been practicing marksmanship for years. I believe that people should be allowed to persue their interests if they are willing to do so responsably without putting anyone else in danger.

Carrying a knife for fun is a bit of a gray area for me. When I visit the states I'll usually have a nice little S&W 2" folder tucked into my wallet, just because I like it.

Who am I to tell anyone not to do so? I just ask that they weigh the consequences against the gains. For me carrying the knife is worth the possible consequences, but I am also very cool headed and unlikely to draw it unless my life is threatened, or I want to open a box

Now carrying a pistol for fun strikes me as a bad idea. If you are carrying a weapon for fun it makes me think that you would consider it a toy. As my uncle said when he was teaching me about gun safety "You can't take back a bullet." think about that fact before you carry a deadly weapon "for fun".

It is your right to carry a gun, but as with the knife and all weapons you need to consider the possible consequences of carrying or not carrying one. For Shorts it is worth it, she has her reasons for CCW and I respect that.

For me, right now, the possible consequences do not outweigh the gains. I live in a area with a very low violent crime rate and I feel safe. However if things were different and I needed protection I would get a CCW permit in a second because then it would be worth it.