None of you have brought up the other side of frame sliders.
I have them on my bike for a few reasons. The main reason I purchased them is because I'm afraid of when I go to the store, some crazy donkey is gonna think "oh let me sit on this motorcycle" and knock it over/ have it fall over.
Now even just knocking the bike over will cause large amounts of damage to the fairing. I have also heard stories about parking the bike on the side stand and coming back to see the bike rolled forward off the stand and going down.
And also like the guy above said its like buying insurance for it, my sliders stick out but with my black frame they are a little less obvious.
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Okay, I am convinced. I wasn't sure which side to agree with, but Icariz83 brought up an outstanding point.
When I started thinking about it, I have had more drops in the garage, than out on the street.
Even though sliders displease me aesthetically, I may have to invest in them.
When I started thinking about it, I have had more drops in the garage, than out on the street.
Even though sliders displease me aesthetically, I may have to invest in them.
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as i said in my last post, dropping it when its stopped the 'sliders' are going to help some what. but what about frame damage from the impact? rather than the impact being spread out over a larger area the first/only thing to touch the ground will be that 'slider' which is bolted to your frame. all of the impact is going to be target into a very small area.
if it hits hard enough or after enough times it could bend or weaken the frame in that spot. what happens if you drop your bike a few times see no damage and think the sliders saved your bike. but you have hairline cracks in your frame that you dont know about, not untill something majour happens will you(if you even then) become aware of these cracks in your frame.
think about putting a screw driver against your frame then hitting the end with a hammer the damage it would do. same thing is happening when that slider hits the ground. ive seen some that have a different kind of mounting rig, but still same idea even if you have two bolts or whatever. your going to reduce the impact area down enough the force per inch goes way up.
fixxing the plastics is alot easier and cheaper than messing with frame damage.
if it hits hard enough or after enough times it could bend or weaken the frame in that spot. what happens if you drop your bike a few times see no damage and think the sliders saved your bike. but you have hairline cracks in your frame that you dont know about, not untill something majour happens will you(if you even then) become aware of these cracks in your frame.
think about putting a screw driver against your frame then hitting the end with a hammer the damage it would do. same thing is happening when that slider hits the ground. ive seen some that have a different kind of mounting rig, but still same idea even if you have two bolts or whatever. your going to reduce the impact area down enough the force per inch goes way up.
fixxing the plastics is alot easier and cheaper than messing with frame damage.
Icariz83 wrote:None of you have brought up the other side of frame sliders.
I have them on my bike for a few reasons. The main reason I purchased them is because I'm afraid of when I go to the store, some crazy donkey is gonna think "oh let me sit on this motorcycle" and knock it over/ have it fall over.
Now even just knocking the bike over will cause large amounts of damage to the fairing. I have also heard stories about parking the bike on the side stand and coming back to see the bike rolled forward off the stand and going down.
And also like the guy above said its like buying insurance for it, my sliders stick out but with my black frame they are a little less obvious.
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iwannadie your arguments are the motorcycle equivalent of "I'm not going to crash, so I don't need a helmet." A helmet will not protect you from everything, if something hits you in the head in JUST the right way (big rock through the visor) it could potentially make it worse. But overall it makes it more likely that you will come out of it okay.
You asked about the slider getting caught in a divot in the road. Is that the only part of your bike that sticks out? Pegs, handlebars, brake/shift levers, front forks, wheels. Anything could get caught and throw the bike into a spin. However the bike would have to be moving at a tremendous rate of speed for this to actually happen. It's more likely whatever got stuck would snap off, including the sliders.
As to frame damage, well yes, that is something that you would have to get checked after you crash, but it's something that you should be checking anyways. It'd be stupid not to. However, based upon where they should be attached (mounted through the frame to the engine casing) which is usually the most solid part of the bike a slow speed crash should not compromise the frame. A tipover should not compromise the frame.
I'm not saying these squids you saw should be out there. But I am saying that having frame sliders does not mean you intend to crash.
You asked about the slider getting caught in a divot in the road. Is that the only part of your bike that sticks out? Pegs, handlebars, brake/shift levers, front forks, wheels. Anything could get caught and throw the bike into a spin. However the bike would have to be moving at a tremendous rate of speed for this to actually happen. It's more likely whatever got stuck would snap off, including the sliders.
As to frame damage, well yes, that is something that you would have to get checked after you crash, but it's something that you should be checking anyways. It'd be stupid not to. However, based upon where they should be attached (mounted through the frame to the engine casing) which is usually the most solid part of the bike a slow speed crash should not compromise the frame. A tipover should not compromise the frame.
I'm not saying these squids you saw should be out there. But I am saying that having frame sliders does not mean you intend to crash.
Of course I'm generalizing from a single example here, but everyone does that. At least I do.
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im not going to get back into the helmet issue.
on my bike(and any sports bike) pegs, levers etc are the first things to break off. if the bike is sliding along and a peg or controll hit a road defect it would simple break off not effecting the momentum of the bike that much(assuming). a slider that its bolted firmly onto the bike is likely to grab and cause a spin or a flip. also the bars,pegs, etc are metal and would cause alot of friction while dragging compared to the nylon slider that would just let the bike slide along untill it hits something.
who checks their frame for micro fractors on a regular basis? it seems most people that have had slow speed drops or drops in the garage dont check anything after it happens. let alone with a slider on it they will think since they cant see any damage then none was done.
im not saying dont use the sliders. im saying dont buy so heavy into the marketing that they will save your bike alot of money in an incident.
theres alot of forums all over with just this topic and it seems most people dont use sliders for the downsides. you dont see any race bikes with them for a reason.
google and see.
on my bike(and any sports bike) pegs, levers etc are the first things to break off. if the bike is sliding along and a peg or controll hit a road defect it would simple break off not effecting the momentum of the bike that much(assuming). a slider that its bolted firmly onto the bike is likely to grab and cause a spin or a flip. also the bars,pegs, etc are metal and would cause alot of friction while dragging compared to the nylon slider that would just let the bike slide along untill it hits something.
who checks their frame for micro fractors on a regular basis? it seems most people that have had slow speed drops or drops in the garage dont check anything after it happens. let alone with a slider on it they will think since they cant see any damage then none was done.
im not saying dont use the sliders. im saying dont buy so heavy into the marketing that they will save your bike alot of money in an incident.
theres alot of forums all over with just this topic and it seems most people dont use sliders for the downsides. you dont see any race bikes with them for a reason.
google and see.
Sevulturus wrote:iwannadie your arguments are the motorcycle equivalent of "I'm not going to crash, so I don't need a helmet." A helmet will not protect you from everything, if something hits you in the head in JUST the right way (big rock through the visor) it could potentially make it worse. But overall it makes it more likely that you will come out of it okay.
You asked about the slider getting caught in a divot in the road. Is that the only part of your bike that sticks out? Pegs, handlebars, brake/shift levers, front forks, wheels. Anything could get caught and throw the bike into a spin. However the bike would have to be moving at a tremendous rate of speed for this to actually happen. It's more likely whatever got stuck would snap off, including the sliders.
As to frame damage, well yes, that is something that you would have to get checked after you crash, but it's something that you should be checking anyways. It'd be stupid not to. However, based upon where they should be attached (mounted through the frame to the engine casing) which is usually the most solid part of the bike a slow speed crash should not compromise the frame. A tipover should not compromise the frame.
I'm not saying these squids you saw should be out there. But I am saying that having frame sliders does not mean you intend to crash.
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Sliders are a good idea if you plan on pushing your limits on a bike, or just for extra protection of more expensive parts. Not many sponsered riders use them, but they don't pay to repair thier bikes. Check out the amature grids, those guys use them cause they save them money over a season, and maybe help keep a bike raceable after a crash to slavage any pionts you can. I'd rather catch a slider on the ground than my bars too. They are connected to reletively fragile and expensive clamps and forks.
But most 'image consious' supersport riders have them on thier topend literbikes for apperance, I think.
But most 'image consious' supersport riders have them on thier topend literbikes for apperance, I think.
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I have sliders on my bike not because I'm an novice rider but just in case my bike should end up sliding down the road. I wear protective gear as well not to look cool but just in case, hopefully reduce damage to my bike and my body.
Sliders are there to take most of the damage instead of having to replace expensive engine covers. My bike feel over once when stationary and there was no damage at all except a mark on the end of the slider.
Sliders are there to take most of the damage instead of having to replace expensive engine covers. My bike feel over once when stationary and there was no damage at all except a mark on the end of the slider.