You are a Beginner and want a 600cc+ sportbike? READ THIS!

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Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R · Thu May 24, 2007 3:49 pm

After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098). If I started on a 600 and in the unlikely event that I rode it very well in a short amout of time, I would ended up selling it anyway. I figured that what's the point of getting started on a 600 if I'm going to sell it either way?

tortus · #172 Unread post by **tortus** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:31 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote:After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098).

Heh. Let's see if you still feel this way after you get your experience

#173 Unread post by **Wrider** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:59 pm

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R wrote:After I get my experience, I would like to get a 600, then a 1000(I ultimately want the Ducati 1098). If I started on a 600 and in the unlikely event that I rode it very well in a short amout of time, I would ended up selling it anyway. I figured that what's the point of getting started on a 600 if I'm going to sell it either way?

Well, keep in mind those are three DIFFERENT bikes. The first two, the 600 and the 1K are similar in the way they are built, and that they are I-4 motors. The Duc 1098 puts out a little more than the 600, but is an L-Twin motor, which is a completely different animal than the I-4. More torque, less top end, but still enough to wow you.

The point on buying something that isn't what you ultimately want is that you can learn on it. Thrash it, learn on it, learn what you can and can't do on a more forgiving bike, then upgrade to the bike that you want.

If you are ultimately leaning toward the Duc, try for the Suzuki SV650S first. Then after riding that for a year or two, switch to the 1098 if you still want to.
Wrider

PioneerUrban · Mon May 28, 2007 4:11 am

Every new rider, should be required to read this!

Jacky0612 · Thu May 31, 2007 5:45 pm

I think it's a good article.

DivideOverflow · Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:39 am

Wrider wrote: Well, keep in mind those are three DIFFERENT bikes. The first two, the 600 and the 1K are similar in the way they are built, and that they are I-4 motors. The Duc 1098 puts out a little more than the 600, but is an L-Twin motor, which is a completely different animal than the I-4. More torque, less top end, but still enough to wow you.

The point on buying something that isn't what you ultimately want is that you can learn on it. Thrash it, learn on it, learn what you can and can't do on a more forgiving bike, then upgrade to the bike that you want.

If you are ultimately leaning toward the Duc, try for the Suzuki SV650S first. Then after riding that for a year or two, switch to the 1098 if you still want to.
Wrider

Dude, the 1098 has 160hp (150 rwhp) and 90 ft-lbs of torque. In comparison, the Gixxer 1000 has about 175hp (162 rwhp) and 80 ft-lbs of torque. That is NOT that far off. Granted, a V-twin will feel different, but you are making it sound like the 1098 is somehow gimped in the top end due to it being a twin. Last time I checked, 150rwhp is WAY more than a 600. It is just a tad under the 1000cc I-4 bikes, but it has more torque.

The Ducati 1098 is a very, very, fast bike, and it should not be compared to a 600cc I-4 in any way. It definitely has the guts to compete with the japanese liter bikes.

That being said, I think the 1098 can only be appreciated by riders who have quite a few years of real sport riding experience. I'm definitely not anywhere near that point, and I don't consider myself a slouch. The best thing a new rider can do is start small and move up incrementally. You won't learn how to find the limits of a bike if you learn on bikes you are incapable of reaching the limits of.

thume · #177 Unread post by **thume** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:08 am

PioneerUrban wrote:Every new rider, should be required to read this!

I'm very thankful I did.

buckwheat15 · Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:10 pm

hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?

Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:13 pm

buckwheat15 wrote:hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?

A little bit yeah. Though a 650 Twin wouldn't be an issue. Still, take the MSF if you havn't already.

strohS · #180 Unread post by **strohS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:51 pm

buckwheat15 wrote:hey I was thinking about getting a gsxr 600 for my first bike I know its fast but I have been trail riding with my dirtbike for over 2 years do you think it is out of league?

It is a nice bike, just take it easy that's all.

I have almost two years of dirtbiking, that's all, I just bought a R6 for a first bike.