Has anyone failed or seen someone fail the MSF Course?

[Shorts]

I passed with a 9 and PTSD.

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hehehe I remember laughing about this I had 6 and PTSD too.

PTSD = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder meaning the weekend was stressful enough to wig us out for a bit, even after finishing the class.

Two people failed in my class. No one dropped their bikes except me (during practice drills, NOT during exam). Matter of fact, I dropped it twice My instructors were cool.

If you don't psych yourself out, you'll be ok.

[darsek]

Don't get yourself all worked up before the class, they take things nice and slow. The hardest part of the test for me was the damn box too, but they told us putting your foot down/going out of the box were minimal point deductions so I did both and I still passed! One guy didn't pass because he dropped his bike during the quick stop part of the test. During normal drill there was a girl who dropped her bike twice but did fine on the exam and passed.

[Jas0n]

Dropping the bike is not a fail. It also doesnt get your points deducted. The instructors said you can drop the bike whenever time you want, just make sure its not DURING the execersize. Some lady dropped her bike 2 seconds after completing the emergency stop exam, and they let her go without failure. Other than that, she was flawless. No one failed in my class, and there was maybe one outcast that just didn't follow directions.

[jack30021]

I had a few fail my course (we have something like the MSF in Australia, even some of the MSF videos are shown).

One guy was really all over the place and could not balance properly. Turned out he had never ridden a bike before (not even a bicycle).

It also depends on what type of bike you ride. One guy had a Shadow and there was NO way he could do the turns (phyically not possible). I rode one of their bikes rather than mine (a CBR 250) and passed no problems. No way my bike could do the turns either.

I think the slow speed stuff is kind of pointless as in real life I'd never do them. The whole licence test process in Australia is pointless... For a car you need time on the road, for a bike you don't.

Another guy did his first course (we have 2 courses, a basic and advanced), then never rode again until his second course. In my books he had no experience (I did over 4,000 km between the courses). He passed but only just...

[Jas0n]

Yeah I agree. If I'm going to make any legal u-turns, I would much rather stop the bike, back it up, then take off in my new direction. Not only is my turning radius virtually gone, but its much more comforting knowing I have both feet on the ground.

[Derail]

No one in my class failed. I was surprised because half of the class were older women. I'm not saying women can't ride motorcycles, my mom has been riding her harley for year and shes one of the better riders I've met. They just didn't look the bike type and didn't even look comfortable sitting on the display bike in the classroom. One of those women was getting a bike so she could ride with her boyfriend, which is great and I wish my gf would do the same. But she had plans for an zx_r
Imo the hardest part of the test was the figure 8 inside of the blue rectangle. The instructors gave good advice, don't be scared of dropping the bike when making slow turns. Practice it well during the practice portion, its better to mess up there then on the evaluation at the end. THe evaluation was only 20-30mins long out of 8hours riding time total, so its not that bad use the other 7.5hours to the fullest.
Dropping your bike in the evaluation in the end does disqualify you, but dropping it prior once or twice doesn't. So just try to get comfortable on the bike.
There were only 3 of us under 21 in the class, and we all scored the highest on the riding test. I got the only perfect on the written and a -3 or 97 on the riding exam. You have to score 80 or higher to pass. my -3 came from going outside the line on the figure 8, i got nervous and was scared to lean a little more and give it more throttle. I should have also lost points on the turning while in second gear part, I forgot to downshift as i stopped but the coach didn't notice.
Hah that was long but I don't have a bike yet so its my only real motorcycle story. If you have any other MSF questions ask me I took it only a month ago and everything is still fresh in my mind, i still look in the booklet they gave me now and then when i can't remember a few details.

[Lion_Lady]

LOCKING THIS.

Okay. Yes. Folks fail the evaluation. Some folks simply do not complete the class. Nationally, the completion rate for the MSF Basic Riders Course is 70%.

Folks withdraw themselves from the course at various points in the "range portion" of the course. Others are "counselled out" because they appear to be a danger to themselves or others, or they really just are struggling and heading toward becoming a danger. These would count for some of the 30% "no pass" portion.

Some folks "fail" the riding evaluation by dropping their bikes. There are TWO events that will result in an immediate end to the (final) riding evaluation. This is clearly explained at the beginning of the eval:
1. Dropping the motorcycle. 2. An intentional unsafe act. (Includes failure to have on proper gear, etc.) Some states have different pass/no pass cut off points.

In MD, anyone who does not pass the riding evaluation is free to come back the following weekend (or within a month) and re-take the riding evaluation. Some sites/states allow for an IMMEDIATE re-take.

Some of those 'drop outs' return to the class the same season and finish successfully. Others go on and get their license via other means.

There was too much opinion without enough factual information here. Also the program varies somewhat from state to state. So what is true in TX may not be true in CA or MD. That is why I locked this thread.

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