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Ivan M · #31 Unread post by **Ivan M** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:40 pm

I'm black and white, but you're waffling. In your initial post you said not to get steel toes because there was a good chance they'd amputate in a crash.

We're not discussing whether or not steel toe boots protect better in a crash, I already said the effect is negligible. The question is whether or not they are safe for motorcycle riding and the answer is yes. A person who rides a motorcycle should have a good grasp of risk assessment. If we're telling people not to wear steel toes because of a ridiculous one in a billion amputation scenario, then we might as well not ride at all.

As for serious evidence: the ANSI standard isn't serious evidence, the mythbusters episode isn't serious evidence, yet you provide a few anecdotes and you think your myth is on equal footing. What happened to controlled, repeated, context sensitive, complex tests?

ofblong · #32 Unread post by **ofblong** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:16 pm

The reason I say steel toe boots are bad for normal riding (kinda stupid to get riding boots for the MSF if you dont even know your going to keep riding after the course) is it makes it harder to feel the shifter.

#33 Unread post by **sv-wolf** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:09 pm

Ivan M wrote:I'm black and white, but you're waffling. In your initial post you said not to get steel toes because there was a good chance they'd amputate in a crash.

We're not discussing whether or not steel toe boots protect better in a crash, I already said the effect is negligible. The question is whether or not they are safe for motorcycle riding and the answer is yes. A person who rides a motorcycle should have a good grasp of risk assessment. If we're telling people not to wear steel toes because of a ridiculous one in a billion amputation scenario, then we might as well not ride at all.

As for serious evidence: the ANSI standard isn't serious evidence, the mythbusters episode isn't serious evidence, yet you provide a few anecdotes and you think your myth is on equal footing. What happened to controlled, repeated, context sensitive, complex tests?

C'mon Ivan. LOL.

The ANSI standard has no bearing on your argument as you describe it here, and you'd have to be a true believer in television to take mythbusters as serious evidence. I said I'd seen photographs in an (A&E) report but didn't know what the frequency of such occurences was supposed to be though I suggested it might not be very high. (I did NOT say there was a good chance of amputation.) I then referred to my own experience, pointing out it was, of course, anecdotal and therefore inconclusive, which is exactly why I choose to keep an open mind about this.

Why the need to distort?

Yes I would like to see some 'controlled, repeated, context sensitive' research with properly complex real world analysis.' Do you know of any?

Ivan M · #34 Unread post by **Ivan M** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:01 pm

"I remember reading research on riding boots some years ago. Wearing steel-toed boots is apparently a very good way to get all your toes chopped off in an accident. Not recommended in the long term."

Ivan M · #35 Unread post by **Ivan M** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:10 pm

The ANSI tests are entirely relevant. All certified steel toe boots can withstand those impacts and crushing forces without cutting off toes.

Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:20 pm

ofblong wrote:The reason I say steel toe boots are bad for normal riding (kinda stupid to get riding boots for the MSF if you dont even know your going to keep riding after the course) is it makes it harder to feel the shifter.

I have no problem feeling the shifter in my steel toes...

#37 Unread post by **sv-wolf** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:03 am

This is no longer about riding boots or motorcycle safety, Ivan

If anyone is in the slightest bit interested (which I sincerely doubt) I'm quite content to let them go back over the posts and judge the matter for themselves. I have no axe to grind in this matter.

Cheers

Richard

ofblong · #38 Unread post by **ofblong** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:02 pm

storysunfolding wrote:
ofblong wrote:The reason I say steel toe boots are bad for normal riding (kinda stupid to get riding boots for the MSF if you dont even know your going to keep riding after the course) is it makes it harder to feel the shifter.
I have no problem feeling the shifter in my steel toes...

maybe my shifter is just too high on my boot but I dont feel it on the steel part of my boot (because of the FDA I have to have special boots with darn awful lot of regulations like the tread size cant be bigger than 1/16" gaps etc etc). I can hear when I shift though so its fine for me

. Matter of fact I need to replace these boots with new ones (work gives me $150 towards new boots every years so might as well use it) here in the next few weeks when the shoe mobile shows up again.