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Gummiente wrote:
Ryethil wrote:Oh, I think I understand. it's just how did you get a facination for something so "Russian"? I love the concept. Of course I thought the same about Yugos and that died quickly. :laughing:
It's in my blood. Literally. The ancestors on my mother's side come from the Georgian region of Russia and were Doukhbors, hence the name "Douk" (short for Doukhbor) on the front fender plate.

But it goes way beyond that and has a lot to do with the "soul" of a machine, as I consider myself to be a Renaissance type of dude. If you have a few hours to kill, the Ural Blog on my webpage, Gummiente's Roadhouse, details all the adventures from Day One of my Ivanic plunge into the wild, wooly underworld of Russkie sidecar bikes.
I was just at your site and I loved it. Esp. Hector. :D

I am facinated by Urals and it just so happens that there is a dealer within a couple of hours from here and another one a couple of hours further down. Both dealers were very friendly and didn't try to sell me something else. The pricing was a bit much though. It's not unaffordable but they don't come cheap. One dealer said to come on down and I could a test ride just by showing up and he said (don't they always) said that they tried to keep spare parts in stock. Even with the Russian situation as it is, both said that they would not have any trouble getting bikes and parts.

The coolness factor would be great. And I could do the mainanance myself. I was surprised that most bikes had sidecars. I'll just have to see when I get there...

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jaskc78 wrote:Currently looking at the Yamaha V-Star 1100 Custom with the Midnight trim, the Honda VTX1300T . . .
Rather than the V-star 1100 I'd suggest looking at the V-star 950 and V-star 1300. Both are belt drive, which means they are more efficient at transferring power to the rear wheel than the shaft driven bikes. Also, both are fuel injected, which is a huge plus. The V-star 1100 and the VTX1300 both have carbs. Also since you specifically mentioned the touring version of the VTX, I'll point out the saddlebags on the V-star 950 and 1300 are lockable leather covered hardbags. Very nice feature to have. The 950 is air cooled, and the 1300 is liquid cooled.
. . . or the Harley Softtail Night Train or Dyna Fat Bob.
Interesting to me that you are interested in the touring version of the VTX, but are also interested in the Night Train. The Night Train is a great looking bike, but I know three people that have them and all three have the same complaint the drag bars and forward controls make the Night Train uncomfortable for long rides. If you just want to take short rides, and/or have a cool looking bike for bar hopping the Night Train might be fine, but if you plan on long rides you will likely want to get a different bike, or do what two of the Night Train owners I know have done - get new handlebars that make the long rides more comfortable.
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Bachstrad37 wrote:But when I go into a Harley shop and want to buy a Harley helmet (made by AGV btw) and the sales rep asked what bike I have (Kawaski Meanstreak), it blew me away when she responded "Oh, you're working to upgrade". It's statements like this that deconstructs the brand you so much tout.

most stealerships are peckers....Harley stealerships are amongst the worst...but I didnt know they were dumb...

I mean for a "hot" crusier...the Mean Streak is all anyone needs.
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Ryethil wrote:I was just at your site and I loved it. Esp. Hector. :D
maybe you should just give up on it, Gummiente, and name it Hector's Chauffer's Blog? seriously, i was a little skeptical about all the supposed attention Hector gets, but i'm a full-fledged believer now.
NewGuy wrote:Rather than the V-star 1100 I'd suggest looking at the V-star 950 and V-star 1300.

Interesting to me that you are interested in the touring version of the VTX, but are also interested in the Night Train.
the reason i like the 1100 Custom is for the black paint job with the blacked out midnight trim, which has the extra bonus of having the bobbed rear fender. i love that look.

the touring version of the VTX is simply because it comes with the windshield, saddlebags, and passenger backrest that i'll be putting on whichever bike i get. i like the looks of the 1300C better than the 1300T, but since neither of them has the bobbed fender, it'd be getting swapped out anyway. might as well get all the other goodies for about $1200 instead of buying the cheaper MSRP on the 1300C just to add $2000 in extras and still be swapping the rear fender.

and honestly, i think the only reason the VTX1300 is in there is because i sat on one at the local used bike dealership and it just felt really damn comfortable, i like the overall design of the bike--the profile of it, the lines, etc--and it didn't have what i considered to be an overly inflated price tag. mind you, i haven't ridden one yet so it may feel like total crap when it's moving, but i won't know that until it gets closer to buying time, i think.

the Night Train is in the list simply for the looks. bobbed rear fender and the blacked out look. chrome is nice and all, but sometimes gets overdone imho. sometimes having less of it just accentuates it more. gives it that little extra pop that makes your bike stand out from the sea of chrome that everyone else is swimming in...or it just looks bada$$ and i think it'd help me get chicks. your choice. :laughing:
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Gummiente wrote:
Ryethil wrote:Mike, what I don't understand is why the fasination with Urals.
If I had to explain, you wouldn't understand...
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anyone ever mentioned to you that your scary looking dood Gummy :)

Im not into cruisers but I do appreciate your Ural outfit looks the goods and right at home in the snow and ice exactly how they were meant to exist (their Russian arnt they?? ).

Oh and is that an Australian blue healer cause if it isnt the dog really looks like one from that pic.


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So cut me a little slack. I may not be Snow White but I still need my beauty sleep. *YAWN*
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Ryethil wrote:I was just at your site and I loved it. Esp. Hector. :D
maybe you should just give up on it, Gummiente, and name it Hector's Chauffer's Blog? seriously, i was a little skeptical about all the supposed attention Hector gets, but i'm a full-fledged believer now.
OH, God, yes! Everything was interesting but Hector is so lovable through the computer screen that he stole the show. :D
NewGuy wrote:Rather than the V-star 1100 I'd suggest looking at the V-star 950 and V-star 1300.

Interesting to me that you are interested in the touring version of the VTX, but are also interested in the Night Train.
the reason i like the 1100 Custom is for the black paint job with the blacked out midnight trim, which has the extra bonus of having the bobbed rear fender. I love that look.

the touring version of the VTX is simply because it comes with the windshield, saddlebags, and passenger backrest that i'll be putting on whichever bike i get. i like the looks of the 1300C better than the 1300T, but since neither of them has the bobbed fender, it'd be getting swapped out anyway. might as well get all the other goodies for about $1200 instead of buying the cheaper MSRP on the 1300C just to add $2000 in extras and still be swapping the rear fender.

And honestly, I think the only reason the VTX1300 is in there is because i sat on one at the local used bike dealership and it just felt really damn comfortable, i like the overall design of the bike--the profile of it, the lines, etc--and it didn't have what i considered to be an overly inflated price tag. mind you, i haven't ridden one yet so it may feel like total "crumb" when it's moving, but i won't know that until it gets closer to buying time, i think.

the Night Train is in the list simply for the looks. bobbed rear fender and the blacked out look. chrome is nice and all, but sometimes gets overdone imho. sometimes having less of it just accentuates it more. gives it that little extra pop that makes your bike stand out from the sea of chrome that everyone else is swimming in...or it just looks bada$$ and i think it'd help me get chicks. your choice. :laughing:
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Now that the noise level has died down here a bit, Maybe I can talk about motorcycles. :cheerleader:

I'm really torn about the differences of Yamaha cruisers and which would be best to learn/ride on. I've ridden the V-Star 1100 and I liked it and to me carberators are a good thing. You may have to break the "seal" to rejet and retune a carb so that the engine runs better. However, like I said before, with the V-Star 950 and V-Star 1300, the smiles per mile factor seems to be a real big plus. Never ridden either so I'm going with comments owners have.

I think that you really can't go wrong with the XVT1300. I'm glad you accepted that you like a litte style with your ride quality. Everyone likes their ride to look good and the VTX is a great platform to start with.

As for the mechanicals, it is civilized and a great ride. If you're learning, it has few faults even though it is a cruiser. If your experience levels are more than a bit basic, then it seems to draw a lot of experienced riders. No, I'm still a Harley rider but the VTX is quite a treat.

As for Harleys, I going to get close to heresy. :shock:

One of the major driving factors behind HD designs seems to be the realization that a great part of the Harley buying (not the dreamers) crowd is the middle aged biker who wishes the regain his youth. He also has the funds to buy a bike and add a few thousand dollars in accesories. They want a "chopper" without the problems such bikes have. The new Harley riders then form clubs and try and capture the 1% attitude without really pissing anyone off. So there is a great attachment to the old codes of honor and so called "freedom" I call it the "sneer" or poser factor.

Anyway, there are a lot of translations of the old hard core standards of the 60's 70's and 80's. However there are new bike lines that are coming out with closer ideals to "real" choppers like the Fury and Big Dog. The question is whether these older biker type will by these more radical and possibly less comfortable bikes. Harley has steered away from this concept because they think these bikes are too radical for their market concept.

So there are quite a few bikes in the Harley range that are like the Night Train. They look good and are comfortable to bar hop over a night's riding. They have some appeal over the long ride but they're no tourer. I'm not cutting down anyone who wants to ride or what they want to ride.
And there is a big point (really big point) is that any Harley can be comfortably ridden with few problems as to the bike design. You can't say that about some of the newer bike designs.

One down side is that we of the inseam challenged can't ride them for I can't reach the controls comfortably. Forget the V-Rod. I want a Big Twin but my choices are limited.

However, saying that, Harleys are reliable and good values for the money and the Dealer will gladly make changes for you if necessary. For me, I think this interest by a large bike riding faction makes for more Harleys that I want to ride. And because this crowd wants the Harley experience, I'm not stuck riding an appliance. All Harleys come with some sort of special personality that makes them a part of the person. No matter if the rider can tell the difference or not.

I thinking here of the Cross Bones. It's actually a great bike but the springer doesn't act like a hydraulic frontend. So you have to acclimate yourself to its quirks. I love the way it rides but you have to think a bit further on when riding. But in no way is it "dangerous". Just quirky. And it is that way for all Harleys. Anyway, the Cross bones is sold by the truck load because of the image it portrays. It's cool because bikes are about freedom and anyone should be able to ride what they want without anyone saying the person isn't a real biker because he doesn't ride X,Y or Z.

I have found it isn't just a Harley owners. Ir's BMW and my favorite, The feud between Buell and Ducati. And if you think it's just these brands that flare up about this, then you haven't been listening to the feud about 600cc sportbikes. Japanese marque riders can be just as bitchy as the most hardcore Harley rider.

As for dealers, there are good ones and bad ones, irrespective of brandnames they sell. The worst one in our city is the multi-brand Japanese Dealer. So don't say that that because it's a Harely dealer that he's insincere or a *ssH*le unless you know for it for fact.

Anyway, off topic, Honda appears to be killing my favorite, the VFR. I know they're still going to make a bike they call the VFR, but it won't be the same. *sigh*

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If you think Hondas don't have quirks, put some miles on a shadow sabre. I wouldn't trade it for anything, but it definitely has some quirks.
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Does it matter to you if the bike you finally buy is semi "unique" where you dont see the same model at ever bike hangout, or do you want to own what everyone else has???

I'm just stating what I see all the time at every bike hangout or while riding and thats Harley after Harley after Harley, and Honda VTX's galore!

There is the new 2009 Yamaha V-Max and it is OFF THE HOOK! Something like 175 HP I think. Check around for rider reviews to give you ideas on what to test ride! If you care about power, and quick 0-60's on a cruiser, stay above 100 hp, ok.
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Jimbeamrye wrote:There is the new 2009 Yamaha V-Max and it is OFF THE HOOK! Something like 175 HP I think. Check around for rider reviews to give you ideas on what to test ride! If you care about power, and quick 0-60's on a cruiser, stay above 100 hp, ok.
Try 200 crank HP and 130 ft lbs of torque... :twisted:
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#60 Unread post by jaskc78 »

ideally i'd like the bike to be somewhat different, but doesn't necessarily have to be truly unique. but if the bike i find best suits me is the one that everybody else on the block already has, so be it.

guy i work with rides a vmax. can't stand the looks of it, and i think it's for a lot of the same reasons i don't like the looks of the vrod. nothing against either of them, i'm sure they're both very nice bikes and a lot of fun to ride, just not my thing.
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