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#11 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:56 pm

Indeed, but no need to cease your warm embrace on that big, sexy oak tree, Ron, there aren't any plants or animals within a hundred miles of where they'd like to drill. That's what makes the whole ANWAR debate so unbelievably assinine.

ronboskz650sr · Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:13 pm

I hear you. My unit went to an Alaskan airbase for a week-long deployment exercise back in 1987. I stayed back in N.Y. to watch my daughter arrive in the world. Anyway, the guys said the expanse of "tundra" and other unused land was unbelievable, even at B-52 training sortie speeds.

rubthebuddha · Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:11 am

We'd all be better off (well, future generations - we'll probably be alright) if we put more of an emphasis on developing alternative power sources and technologies instead of trying to squeeze out every last drop of oil, 'cause it ain't gonna last!

Having said that and with our current gas prices, I gotta say that I am so glad I bought my bike - I've saved a ton of money not driving my truck.

Where I'm at gas is $2.99 / gallon and will surely be over $3 today.

Sat Sep 03, 2005 1:50 am

monday when a shortage was predicted here i filled up both pickups and 2 5 gallon cans.then they said no worry we wont have a shortage.i have been riding my yamaha scooter everywhere i go because it gets 61 mpg.this morning all the stations around me are out.got no idea what price will be when we get some more.paid $2.69 a gallon for it monday.

NorthernPete · Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:58 am

Was watching Trucks the other day on Spike, and he was making Bio Deisel with a pump sorta set up that he bought (dont remember the name of the manufacturer, but Im sure a google search would do fine) looked kinda pricey, but after all was said and done, he was driving a dodge turbo diesel soley on this bio stuff made from old vegetable oil, for about 70 cents a gallon. looked interesting. if only I could make regular unleaded out of it.

TechTMW · #16 Unread post by **TechTMW** » Sat Sep 03, 2005 9:14 am

Diesels really are the best alternative at the moment (IMO)

A few yearss ago I set up a 1964 Mercedes diesel to run on straight vegetable oil - really easy conversion using junkyard parts. All diesels can run on Biodiesel or SVO. Just a matter of actually doing it.

Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:22 am

worked on a farm tractor 34 years ago that cranked on gas and ran on it until hot then you switched to diesel fuel.you had to turn it back on gas and let it run for awhile before you cut it off.if you didnt it would foul all the sparkplugs.

eugeart · #18 Unread post by **eugeart** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 4:19 pm

My sister lives in Alaska and I recently asked here about the whole Anwr deal. She's a Phd geologist and wrote her dissertation on the field. It is so remote that it makes Siberia look like a family vacation. Just getting anything in or out is totally impractical and cost-prohibitive. If it wasn't for that we would've drilled there long ago. I'm sure if prices continue as they are someone will figure out how to make it work.

I've always thought that we could grow enough corn in the midwest to make enough bio-oil or alcohol to fuel plenty of cars. Just imagine all those farmers driving around in their Rollsroyces...

Spiff · #19 Unread post by **Spiff** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:12 am

ZooTech wrote:Gee, suddenly drilling a few holes in the middle of an icey, desolate wasteland to get at the oil underneath doesn't sound like such a bad idea, does it?

Nope. Still a bad idea.

#20 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:47 am

Spiff wrote:
ZooTech wrote:Gee, suddenly drilling a few holes in the middle of an icey, desolate wasteland to get at the oil underneath doesn't sound like such a bad idea, does it?
Nope. Still a bad idea.

Says you.