I wonder why

[9000white]

mine is 23 years old with 48000 miles never spent any money except tires.
post back in 2027 and lets see how yours is doing.

[ZooTech]

mine is 23 years old with 48000 miles never spent any money except tires.
post back in 2027 and lets see how yours is doing.

Let's see...mine is one year old with over 11,000 miles on it so, at that rate, it'll have 253,000 miles on it. Not sure what you're getting at, White. I use Mobil-1 fully synthetic for longer change intervals. If I used petroleum I'd certainly change it more often, but more like every 3,000 than every 2,000.

[Spiff]

Yeah, not only is it Bush's fault that the guard got their so late, he in-fact created Hurricane Katrina with the help of Evil Conservative Enterprises for some unforeseen political gain.

Is there anything you won't blame Bush for? I think you give far too much credit to the Oval Office. The Left is already blaming the hurricane on global warming for goodness sake. That's arrogance at a whole new level.

If you can't refute the facts, then change the subject ... good one, ZooTech.

There are very good reasons to blame Bush for the delay in help reaching New Orleans, the first reason being that the person at the top should take the blame when things go bad, just as that same person always takes the credit when things go well.

Whatever happened to Harry Truman's "The Buck Stops Here" philosophy? Both political parties need a leader who can follow that example. Sadly, neither party has anyone like that, nor are there any in the wings.

Incidentally, many Republicans are saying that Bush dropped the ball, too. I guess they are politically motivated, too, eh?

[ZooTech]

When Katrina hit Florida it was a category-1 storm. There were more than adequate numbers of guardsmen posted within reach of New Orleans to handle this type of storm. Katrina was upgraded to a category-4 within the last few hours before hitting the coast of New Orleans, so exactly what teleportation device do you propose the army should have used to get down there after it hit? Not to mention everyone in the area was told to leave immediately. Those that stayed (and subsequently died) did so by their own choice.

[canuckerjay]

Someone correct me if there's a bit of information I'm missing (seriously, that's not sarcasm this time):

Certainly this scenario doesn't apply to everyone who stayed, but published estimates place 30% of the New Orleans population to be living below the poverty line. Assuming that many of those likely don't drive a car of thier own, how were they supposed to leave, exactly? Were there emergency fleets of busses or something ordered to transport?

[9000white]

from what i heard at work today there has been a policy in effect in new orleans that if some tragedy were expected to hit N.O. the school buses were to pick up the poor people and transport them out.3700 buses sank sitting where they were.it was also reported that bush contacted the governor on monday and asked if they needed help and she said no we will handle it ourselves.i dont know how much of this is true if any.

[oldnslo]

The finger-pointing will continue for years.......

[Spiff]

Assuming that many of those likely don't drive a car of thier own, how were they supposed to leave, exactly?

You're quite right.

One major factor in this tragedy, which the media are finally getting to the bottom of, is that Step One in the New Orleans evacuation plan apparently was: "Everyone get in your cars and drive north."

Unfortunately for the thousands of poor New Orleans without any vehicles, there was no Step Two...

I can understand the NO mayor's frustration with the delay in the state/federal response, but a hell of a lot of blame deserves to be placed at the foot of local officials, i.e., the planners in his own administration.

These yo-yos, for some reason, couldn't even begin to understand that a large percentage of the city's population would need transportation to get out of the city.

Was that lack of understanding due to a "good" reason, i.e., all the decision-makers had cars, and they just couldn't put themselves in the shoes of poor people without cars?

Or was there racism involved, either conscious or unconscious? Or was it classism?

[9000white]

it's racism.again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again-again.is there ever anything else??same old whine and cry every single time.

[niterider]

Hey ya'll, I am still at the goat Bar B Que. If you have not tried don't knock it. It is good eating. My opinion of course. Take it from a Texan. We don't lie.