What do you think bout these 2 bikes:

[WickedlNl]

Like I just wrote in another topic....I dont plan to spend money on 2 bikes.$4000 on one just so i can spend another $9000 a year later on a new one.All the others that can,good for you.I see where you getting at but its not like my main point will be to drive the bike in 5th gear right away. Kawasaki iz fast...but it has lower speeds so I dont have to be an animal on it in the begining..and I dont plan on getting one untill Im done with a driving/safety corse.

[britishjoe]

The Used Kawasaki 600 would be ok to learn to ride on it is fast but it brakes well and handles well so the new rider will have to learn his/ her limits, the ducati is nice but that plastic is gonna be expensive when you crash, cause you will,

[TechTMW]

Like I just wrote in another topic....I dont plan to spend money on 2 bikes.$4000 on one just so i can spend another $9000 a year later on a new one.

I think you are missing the point, and your impatience is telling - it's indicative of how you will ride. You can buy a nice used learner bike for about a grand ... and then SELL IT in a year for about of grand - so you really aren't out any money in the long haul, plus you've learned your skills on a bike suitable for a learner. Have you looked into what insurance on either of your 2 choices will cost you?