Newbee, New Bike Yamaha R1, ZX636

[kabob983]

Swatter, I agree with some of your points, but flaming azsuptt will just incline him to go elsewhere.

I agree with her. Notice he came to the "new bikers forum." Try giving him advice instead of talking about his impending doom.

Is it possible to learn to ride well and safely on a tuned sportbike? Yes
Is it more difficult than on a learner? Yes
Are you more likely to be injured than on a learner bike? BIG Yes

You talk about not going over the speed limit. It's easy enough to not pay attention when you're worried about traffic or weather or anything else and forget the speed limit. Even the smallest superbikes today will go 0-60 in about 3 seconds...it doesn't take much to take off.

The way I see it, I'd like to learn to walk before I try running. I'd like to learn the basics of riding before I try them in super fast forward. In a year or two I'll probably be shooting for a 600 or larger superbike myself.

If your mind is totally made up then we can't prevent you from doing what you will. But I'd rather see you trained and safe on your literbike than confused and scared on your literbike.

And as stated, whatever you get, please take the MSF Basic course. That alone is worth quite a bit.

[oldnslo]

As Lion Lady said, they don't train rookie pilots on F-16's. Your chances of death or dismemberment or being maimed for life are greatly enhanced by selecting a race bike as a starter.

[storysunfolding]

I think one of the main problems with a bike with that much power isn't how fast you go, but just the power. A small twist of the throttle in the wrong place and you're not going to like/be trained to handle what the bike is going to do.

However, to answer your question. I like the R-1 better, but when you buy used you never know what the bikes been put through, especially with these kinds of bikes. Of course there are lots of parts cheaply available from guys who ride these without knowing what they are doing...

Still, this forum represents a very hefty concentration of knowledge. Learning on a smaller bike isn't shameful, or sad. Learning to fully utilize the lesser capabilities of a smaller bike allows you to better utilize the potential of a big bike.

Go find a forum specifically for each bike (there is a forum for every bike even my 1982 Yamaha Vision...rock on by the way) and see what they recommend. Couldn't hurt right?

[oldnslo]

Throttle control is one of the more difficult aspects of learning for the rookie, especially when combined with operating the clutch. High performance bikes also tend to have somewhat hair-trigger throttles, and these factors can have disastrous results if the rider lacks the experience to manage them.

[swatter555]

I know I was harsh. I think he needs a smack in the face as opposed to a gentle knudge.

Let me constructively put it in context for this person. My brother has been riding sportbikes, on and off the track for 25 years. He is a very skilled and aggressive rider, he currently has a ZX-9R. The ZX-9R has about 120bhp stock. My brother openly admits he cant push his bike to its limits, even after 25 years of continous riding.

Modern supersport bikes are just that powerful. I do believe the R1 has about 140bhp. Do you see how nuts you sound? If the bike you get survives your initial learning period, its still going to be too big for you for years to come.

You dont know the first thing about riding, but your sure you cant live without an R1. Im sorry, not only is that attitude dangerous, it is just plain dumb. Any moron can twist a throttle. Not everyone can ride an R1 safely.

[shane-o]

Like the Title said I'm a newbee and base on what I read here I should not buy either since they are not good beginers bikes but I believe I need to buy something I like.

Sport bikes specially new ones are the ones I will really like to owned, Im very responsible driver, Have driven a CBR 600 a couple of times and respected its power never passes the 60 miles per hour mark since my inexperience on it was telling menot to get into unknown teritory.

I might take the couse before I buy one but what I need from you guys is your honest opinion in wich is a better bike Specially bank for the buck, Here are the small facts..

Yamaha R1 2001 --> 15,000 miles , The price is set to 7,800 and I believe I might get it for 7,500, One owner, Aftermarket exhaust, and carbon fiber accesories, header, beautiful paint job and some others..Basically stock

ZX636 2003 $7,500 with only 6,000 miles o it. Aftermarket exhaust and header, Thats about it, since is basically new everything looks awsome..

I like both rides but the R1 is one of my favorite, Base on power I'm not sure if they are comparable since kawasaki new sport bikes are so cutting edge but I'm just learning here

I'm looking into other bikes, I like CBR 959 or 54 can't remember, Susuki gxs 600r - and 750 Srad...

Wich one will be better buy, The 636 because is basically new or the R1, Wich one will sell qicker later on if I decide to sell it?

What should I look other than looks in a bike?,
?Price of parts , performance, reliability?

Your coments will be appreciated,

honestly......your the type of person i like to avoid on the roads...no matter whether your on a bike or in a car.....if you cant see why RR bikes are dangerous to inexperianced riders...then im afraid your just taking up to much space in this world and im sure that will come to end much sooner than later