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Loonette · Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:25 am

Glad you're okay, Vermilion. As long as you learned something, you came out on top. Now you know what to do and what not to do next time.

Cheers,
Loonette

p.s. I saw a guy in our village the other day that looks just like you! Freaked me out big time. Saw him again today - I keep wanting to say, Yo, Vermi! What's up? But that would make me look pretty crazy, eh!

Sev · #32 Unread post by **Sev** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:09 pm

scanevalexec wrote:I saw a guy do what you are talking about. He ran wide and couldn't push in enough and then hit the shoulder gravel. He straightened up right away, rode off the edge of the rode into a ditch and trashed his bike big time. Regardless of how slow you were going, it wasn't slow enough for that corner or you wouldn't have gone wide. Slow down more. A decreasing corner should not take you by surprise if you are riding within you ablity to control.

I know from dealing with you so far, you won't agree, but arguing won't hide the facts that you described. You go wide because you weren't ready to bring the turn in - you over-rode you ability. All time classic accident of those of us early in the learning curve. You have your whole life get better at this - start REALLY taking your time.

I'm inclined to agree as well. Last year I was tooling around on the highway, just laying out miles and working out some general frustrations with life. I was headed East on highway 16 and came up to an overpass so I deicded to turn around, signal over get onto the offramp, take it nice and fast, lean off the side around and up. I'm headed North. Signal over to my right again to take the onramp and swing around underneath the overpass sending me back to the West.

OH "poo poo" are the only words that spring through my head. I'm leaned over, going faster then I should be getting ready to enter my turn, and I see that the entire road is covered with millions of little round gravel pellets. I do a little trail braking while straightening it up and once centered get on the brakes seriously, loosening up as I get into the gravelled over area. Once I get slowed down (not stopped). I look around the corner, and keeping the bike upright work my way down off the on ramp.

There was a point to that story, oh yeah. You need to realize where your limits are. And if running into something like that means you crash. It also means you were riding outside of your skill level. If youre going back take the corner a lot slower next time. And if you cannot see the far end of the turn don't go in guns blazing... you have no idea of what is going to happen.

ZooTech · #33 Unread post by **ZooTech** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:23 pm

Gotta go with the consensus here, Vermi. You haven't learned to crawl yet you're fixated on learning to do cart-wheels. It doesn't matter one bit that you're not yet proficient in using extreme lean angles because I bet only a small handful of people here at TMW have ever touched the ground with their knee. It's just not the skill you should be focused on yet. Tough love says f@#$ track days! Get all that cr@p out of your head right now. You need more road time and you need to get to know your bike better. Perhaps an advanced MSF course could help better prepare you for road hazards.

Sev · #34 Unread post by **Sev** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:19 pm

No

You need more regular riding FIRST.

BEFORE you try heavy twisties again.

#35 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:21 pm

Sevulturus wrote:No

You need more regular riding FIRST.

BEFORE you try heavy twisties again.

+1, get some more regular riding and experiance in first and get better at basicness before moving on to something more challengeing, and more dangerous

JWF

skoebl · #36 Unread post by **skoebl** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:54 pm

VermilionX wrote:eh?

i don't have problems regular riding... i do it all the time going to work and school. im not just a weekend rider.

I don't think that's the point they're trying to make here.
There are a lot of situations that you can enounter while on some canyon road for which only a good amount of regular riding will prepare you.
You don't learn to bring the bike upright before breaking when you go barreling down a canyon road for the first time; that's something that has to be developed in regular riding.

As Sev said in his story, you have to seriously analyze your limits, then take your limits, and act like they are half of that analyzed amount; then take it suuuuper slow.

Sev · #37 Unread post by **Sev** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:01 pm

VermilionX wrote:eh?

i don't have problems regular riding... i do it all the time going to work and school. im not just a weekend rider.

You missed the point, as always.

#38 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:03 pm

VermilionX wrote:eh?

i don't have problems regular riding... i do it all the time going to work and school. im not just a weekend rider.

didnt say you did have problems with regular riding. What is meant by that is that regular riding is a good place to learn things and gain tips and tricks and experience, twisties are not. To try and anagize it. When learning to shoot guns you didnt go to the range and do tuck and roll shoots first or moving targets first because those are hard. What you do is shoot at non moving targets while you arnt moving, once you are profiecent you move on, but you continue to practice basic shooting as that is the base of your skills. Make any sense

JWF

VermilionX · Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:05 pm

skoebl wrote: You don't learn to bring the bike upright before breaking when you go barreling down a canyon road for the first time; that's something that has to be developed in regular riding.

i know that, they taught us that in the MSF. what i wasn't prepared for the panic i got when i hit the loose gravel when i entered the turn too late.

i did analyze my limits, but i guess i overdid it last saturday.

but im sure im ready for canyon riding, i did it several times already before i crashed.

#40 Unread post by **Jamers!** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:10 pm

VermilionX wrote: but im sure im ready for canyon riding, i did it several times already before i crashed.

when it comes down to it you decide when your ready. but from my perspective it doesnt seem like it. and the logic of i did it before so i can do it again. well think of this, you can play russian roulettee 5 times and still live, sense youve done it before you can do it a 6th time right? that kind of logic i dont agree with. All im saying is that you should practice more in less risky areas before entering a risky situation.

JWF