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scan · #41 Unread post by **scan** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:28 am

camthepyro wrote:Exactly, there was just as much information leaked about Bush. It's expected, everyone knows that when someone is running for a high position like that, every single little bad thing they have done in their life will come out for the public to see.

And things they did not do. All you have to do is say something is true and many believe it without verification. Fox news runs a media outlet on this notion.

CNF2002 · #42 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:06 am

I suppose you are against red light cameras too!

scan · #43 Unread post by **scan** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:33 am

CNF2002 wrote:I suppose you are against red light cameras too!

Who are you addressing? And what would make you think that in regards to my comment?

I'm not for or against red light cameras. I think they are flawed. I also think no one should ever need to run a red light. Same as on the bike, when you're in a car you should be able to stop safely.

CNF2002 · #44 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:37 am

scanevalexec wrote:
CNF2002 wrote:I suppose you are against red light cameras too!
Who are you addressing? And what would make you think that in regards to my comment?

I'm not for or against red light cameras. I think they are flawed. I also think no one should ever need to run a red light. Same as on the bike, when you're in a car you should be able to stop safely.

In your opinion how are they flawed?

scan · #45 Unread post by **scan** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:08 am

CNF2002 wrote:In your opinion how are they flawed?

They can be avoided (not going through a place where there is one), the wrong person can be held responsible (same looking person driving your car), and anti-picture sprays or plastic covers can be used.

That said, I'm not against them really. I just think they are another tool to reduce law enforcement needing to be present and allowing the remote eye to be the final word. Slipery slope.

Now I don't let anyone else drive my car. I don't try to cover my plate. And I don't need to avoid the corners because I would not run a red light. Still you can get around them, the wrong person could be blamed, and it can be (although illegally) fooled.

#46 Unread post by **zarakand** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:20 pm

scanevalexec wrote: That said, I'm not against them really. I just think they are another tool to reduce law enforcement needing to be present and allowing the remote eye to be the final word. Slippery slope.(although

I agree, we're so focused on solving problems using the least amount of money possible that we don't solve the problem and end up creating more problems. No one is against holding people who run red lights accountable for their actions. However, to do it via an automated system instead of increasing law enforcement presence and setting higher standards for attaining a driving license a flawed mode of thinking.

Though to steal a line from John, it really is about money and power all the time. (Not mentioning the oil this time...)

scanevalexec wrote: Fox news runs a media outlet on this notion.

Have you seen the documentary on the Fox reporters who were fired for not changing their story to fit Fox News' demands? It's great, they were able to get Fox to put into writing what about the story should be changed and why. It was a story on some rx company that spent big bucks advertising with Fox and was going to cancel their advertising if Fox didn't pull/revise the story. Sadly, I can't remember the documentary's name at the moment.

scan · #47 Unread post by **scan** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:09 pm

zarakand wrote: Have you seen the documentary on the Fox reporters who were fired for not changing their story to fit Fox News' demands?

No, but it is so not surprising. There has always been a problem with the integrity of the press. Now we have this ridiculous bias to the other side. Just as silly with the ideas they present as the overly liberal media of days gone by. Liberal media has now been limited to NPR and some PBS these days, but that is far from a balanced source as Fox.

While were on the question of media did you see this guy Stephen Colbert at the White House Correspondents Dinner. He had some cojones to do that bit right in front of the media and Bush. He was relentless in his attack. Bush looked in pain part of the time.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 7758574879

I found a website that is so worried about this event that they have formed a e-mail/mail campaign to complain about him being allowed to do that uncontrolled. Wow. Free press. Clearly he is a liberal playing a conservative and pushes the right wing exaggerations.

CNF2002 · #48 Unread post by **CNF2002** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:13 pm

I approve of the stoplight cameras. They work. If someone driving your car runs a stoplight, you should be responsible and you can take it up with whoever was driving. Maybe you should be more careful about who you lend your car out to.

Now we just need random cameras around to ticket people driving 10+mph over the speed limit.

scan · #49 Unread post by **scan** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:16 pm

CNF2002 wrote:I approve of the stoplight cameras. They work. If someone driving your car runs a stoplight, you should be responsible and you can take it up with whoever was driving. Maybe you should be more careful about who you lend your car out to.

Now we just need random cameras around to ticket people driving 10+mph over the speed limit.

That last part is crazy talk.

But yeah, ultimately I agree with you about not letting someone drive your car unless you can rely on them. Like I said, I'm not against them really. They have no effect on my world.

camthepyro · Tue May 16, 2006 5:14 pm

No, but it is so not surprising. There has always been a problem with the integrity of the press. Now we have this ridiculous bias to the other side. Just as silly with the ideas they present as the overly liberal media of days gone by. Liberal media has now been limited to NPR and some PBS these days, but that is far from a balanced source as Fox.

The media is still 80% liberal. I hate when people complain that "oh, the media is soooo conservative, they're completely owned by the replublicans!" That's just not true. Most of the media is liberal, I hear alot more people bashing conservatives on the news then I do bashing liberals.

I'm not saying I'm conservative, I'm closer to being libertarian, but it doesn't change the fact that most of the media is liberal.