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NorthernPete · #11 Post by **NorthernPete** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:37 pm

there was no warning that Blues story was a myth...Im suing her.....

#12 Post by **blues2cruise** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:41 pm

Even if it is an urban myth, those kinds of things (like the hot coffee post above) are why there are warning labels everywhere...even if it is obvious.

xsyamahadg · #13 Post by **xsyamahadg** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:07 am

The best way that I found to take those stickers off, is heat them with a hair dryer and then clean up with some WD40. It's a five minute job.

Andrew · #14 Post by **Andrew** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:13 am

Be careful with the adhesive removers. I was helping a friend remove some stickers and before using an adhesive remover we checked it on an inconspicuous location. Sure enough it also removed some paint. Not much, but I definetly wouldn't want to use it on a visible location...

jonnythan · #15 Post by **jonnythan** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:21 am

-Holiday wrote:
blues2cruise wrote:Those stickers are there for liability purposes. You can bet if the stickers weren't there, some fool would do something they weren't supposed to and get themselves hurt and then sue for big $$$....

For example...the guy who was driving his Winnebago...put it on cruise control and went to make himself a cup of coffee. The thing ran off the road.
He sued Winnebago and won a huge amount of $$$ because the manual didn't tell him he had to stay in his driver's seat.
That instruction is now in the manual.
thats an urban myth. id post the link prooving it, but im too lazy. check snopes.com though

It's not an urban myth, but the actual events are not widely known.

Long story short, this McDonald's screwed up big time. Hundreds of people got serious burns from their coffee - sometimes from employees spilling it on customers. Their coffee was served at a temperature high enough to cause *third degree (full thickness) burns* within *seconds*. McDonald's freely admitted that their coffee was unfit for consumption at this temperature.

McDonald's freely admitted that customers were completely unaware that they would receive full-thickness third degree burns from their coffee as it was served. I think it's reasonable to expect to get burned by hot coffee served to you at a drive-through, but it's not reasonable to expect the coffee to be so close to boiling as to require extensive skin grafts in the event of a spillage.

The most damning thing was that McDonald's refused to settle with the woman for simple hospital bills. She only wanted $20,000.

The McDonald's in question served coffee at almost 190 degrees. They now serve it at 158 degrees, which is certainly hot, but not extremely dangerous. ~160 degrees is the typical temperature of restaurant coffee, and ~140 is more typical from a home coffee machine. Those extra 30 degrees really matter and bring the time necessary for third degree burns from about 30 seconds to about 5 seconds.

http://www.centerjd.org/free/mythbuster ... onalds.htm
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Rant over

The Grinch · #16 Post by **The Grinch** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:33 am

I'm not a coffee drinker, but I always assumed that coffee is made with boiling water and hence was at 212 degrees or so when served.

But anyway, why would anyone not assume coffee is hot enough to burn? Seems like common sense...

dieziege · #17 Post by **dieziege** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:34 am

jonnythan wrote:
-Holiday wrote:
blues2cruise wrote:Those stickers are there for liability purposes. You can bet if the stickers weren't there, some fool would do something they weren't supposed to and get themselves hurt and then sue for big $$$....

For example...the guy who was driving his Winnebago...put it on cruise control and went to make himself a cup of coffee. The thing ran off the road.
He sued Winnebago and won a huge amount of $$$ because the manual didn't tell him he had to stay in his driver's seat.
That instruction is now in the manual.
thats an urban myth. id post the link prooving it, but im too lazy. check snopes.com though
It's not an urban myth, but the actual events are not widely known.

Long story short, this McDonald's ....

What does McDonald's have to do with Winnebago? Is there a restaurant in the factory or something?

#18 Post by **Big B** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:03 am

no, he went to the mcdonalds in the back of his winnebago to get the coffee.

by the by, he later committed suicide using the old pop-rocks and coca-cola routine, but the government covered it up because the president is an alien

Nalian · #19 Post by **Nalian** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:16 am

The Grinch wrote:I'm not a coffee drinker, but I always assumed that coffee is made with boiling water and hence was at 212 degrees or so when served.

But anyway, why would anyone not assume coffee is hot enough to burn? Seems like common sense...

Coffee is definitely NOT made with boiling water unless you're doing something totally wrong. I am an avid coffee addict and drink coffee all the time. There are very few places that ever serve it much hotter than "drinkable" which is around 150 degrees.

I think his point with bringing up coffee was the lack of warning labels..but I'm not sure how all of it ties in.

#20 Post by **bok** » Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:24 am

Sevulturus wrote:Or the lady who got a cup of coffee from the McDonalds drivethru, took the lid off set it between her legs and promptly spilled it on her crotch. Severe burns, and she won a case against them because there was no warning that the contents were hot on the cup.

There is now a warning on the cups that the contents may be hot.

that's where the mcdonalds coffee thing got started. ties in with all the urban myths/folklore about why we have so many warning labels.

Warning: Warning labels will make you too stupid to think for yourself