tesla roadster

[black mariah]

Speak for yourself. I'd buy it. $0.01c/mile more than pays for occasional car rental.

And how about the cost of a hotel when your car runs out of juice in the middle of the day? Or the additional cost on your electric bill?

That doesn't change the fact that this is the right solution. Electric cars are much more efficient than gasoline cars, so switching to electric would save an enormous amount of energy.

The right solution? In the immortal words of Snoop Dogg... "color, please". The only GOOD solution we have now are hybrid cars. But I'm pretty sure you're against those since you seem to be one of those "all or nothing" types that can't understand what the word "interim" means.

That 250 mile estimate is misguided at best, and an outright lie at worst. I suggest you read up on how heat and cold effect batteries. Lemme tell you this much... you're not gonna get that far in Texas in the summer.

Correction: GM lost $1 billion of US taxpayers' money. Your money. They refused to sell EV1's (lease only), refused to extend the leases, and made you jump through hoops to even get an EV1. Despite that, people showed interest in EV1, but GM took them all back when the leases ran out, *crushed them* and dumped them in a junk yard, rather than sell them to people! Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV1

We have Wikipedia to think for the growth in online expertism we're seeing. Go back to your sandbox, Timmy. When you're older and can understand economics you can join the rest of us.

[Big B]

You know, ninja79, you talk a lot of smack for someone that's provided precisely nothing in the way of useful statements. quote]

and you have?

Ethanol too has its problems. Chiefly, it's very inefficient compared to gasoline. That's something you always have to consider. Efficiency is often overlooked by alternative fuel proponents. They gloss over it like it doesn't matter. "You get half the mileage... but it's CLEAN mileage!" Like every other alternative, the distributorship is lacking at best.

i'll take the 10% mileage drop. the fuel cost savings more than outweigh that, the 5% hp gain doesn't hurt either. so much for being very inefficient. as far as distributorship goes, there's 600+ E85 stations in the u.s. up from a dozen a couple of years ago. automobile magazine just did an article about crossing the u.s. using E85 only.

The right solution? In the immortal words of Snoop Dogg... "-----, please

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nice, so much for trying to have an intelligent discourse, but i should have expected that from you.

[ninja79]

That doesn't change the fact that this is the right solution. Electric cars are much more efficient than gasoline cars, so switching to electric would save an enormous amount of energy.

But I'm pretty sure you're against those since you seem to be one of those "all or nothing" types that can't understand what the word "interim" means.

I didn't say that at all. Don't put words in my mouth.

Correction: GM lost $1 billion of US taxpayers' money. Your money. They refused to sell EV1's (lease only), refused to extend the leases, and made you jump through hoops to even get an EV1. Despite that, people showed interest in EV1, but GM took them all back when the leases ran out, *crushed them* and dumped them in a junk yard, rather than sell them to people! Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EV1

We have Wikipedia to think for the growth in online expertism we're seeing. Go back to your sandbox, Timmy. When you're older and can understand economics you can join the rest of us.

So rather than refute any of the points you resort to name calling. That's a sure sign that you're losing the argument.

[dieziege]

They claim 250 mile range.
They claim 1.14 km per MJ of energy... that's 0.708 miles...
They have regenerative braking... let's say that accounts for 20% of the range

That means the battery must store 200/0.708 282.5MJ of energy.
That's 78.5 kilowatt hours.

They say 3.5 hours minimum charge time.

That means 22.4 kilowatts for 3.5 hours.

watts/volts=amps... so 22,400/115=194.8

Is your house wired to pump 195 amps into one device? Mine might be because it was wired for "all electric" back in the day when electric houses were that generation's version of electric cars....most are not.

[Big B]

220v outlet = 101.8181forever amps
still a lot

[dieziege]

Yep, still a lot. I started writing that when people were arguing that it wouldn't make any difference whether you had 110 or 220v to charge with.

For reference most electric stoves run on 50a 230v circuits.

[black mariah]

nice, so much for trying to have an intelligent discourse, but i should have expected that from you.

Vacuum a rooster, shower container.

So rather than refute any of the points you resort to name calling. That's a sure sign that you're losing the argument.

There's no argument to lose, you twit. I'm right, you're wrong. If electric vehicles were worth a damn you'd see someone put some effort into them. They are not. They are an entirely worthless dead-end technology that crazy donkey greenies cling to like it's the end-all-be-all of propulsion technology. Pull your head out of Ed Begley Jr's poopchute.

[dieziege]

Someone needs to get laid.

BM (and a word of advice... never pick a nym that can be contracted to "BM" because anyone who's spent time in a hospital will laugh)... maybe you should get out and ride... relieve some tensions....

[ninja79]

There's no argument to lose, you twit. I'm right, you're wrong.

this just gets funnier and funnier. You dig yourself in deeper with every word.

If electric vehicles were worth a damn you'd see someone put some effort into them.

Uhhhm... hello? I just showed you that someone is putting some effort into them. Or did you forget what you were blathering about?

[Big B]

Vacuum a rooster, shower container.

oh no, i've offended the e-thug

If electric vehicles were worth a damn you'd see someone put some effort into them.

Bert Rutan happens to think they're a great idea and i'd trust his opinion far more than yours.