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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:24 am
by blair
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:07 pm
by ceemes
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:32 pm
by dr_bar
ceemes wrote:
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )
Relative velocity or actual? If relative, to what??? :roll: :laughing:

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:59 pm
by ceemes
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )
Relative velocity or actual? If relative, to what??? :roll: :laughing:
Actual Ground Speed, no tail or headwind, flying against the rotation of earth......now tell me what its NES is boyo. :twisted:

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:32 pm
by dr_bar
ceemes wrote:
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )
Relative velocity or actual? If relative, to what??? :roll: :laughing:
Actual Ground Speed, no tail or headwind, flying against the rotation of earth......now tell me what its NES is boyo. :twisted:

......................................................... :groan:






So, taking the average statistics and plugging them in to the Strouhal equation for cruising flight (fA/U = 7 beats per second * 0.18 meters per beat / 9.5 meters per second) yields a Strouhal number of roughly 0.13:

Image

... indicating a surprisingly efficient flight pattern falling well below the expected range of 0.2–0.4.

Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour.

:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:

Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:37 pm
by ceemes
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )
Relative velocity or actual? If relative, to what??? :roll: :laughing:
Actual Ground Speed, no tail or headwind, flying against the rotation of earth......now tell me what its NES is boyo. :twisted:

......................................................... :groan:






So, taking the average statistics and plugging them in to the Strouhal equation for cruising flight (fA/U = 7 beats per second * 0.18 meters per beat / 9.5 meters per second) yields a Strouhal number of roughly 0.13:

Image

... indicating a surprisingly efficient flight pattern falling well below the expected range of 0.2–0.4.

Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour.

:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:


:roll2: :LOL2:

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:28 am
by Aamalthea
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
dr_bar wrote:
ceemes wrote:
blair wrote:
ceemes wrote:Okkkay......What is the flying velocity of an unladen swallow?
Cruiser or sport?
Standard........(okay smartarse, answer it now :mrgreen: )
Relative velocity or actual? If relative, to what??? :roll: :laughing:
Actual Ground Speed, no tail or headwind, flying against the rotation of earth......now tell me what its NES is boyo. :twisted:

......................................................... :groan:






So, taking the average statistics and plugging them in to the Strouhal equation for cruising flight (fA/U = 7 beats per second * 0.18 meters per beat / 9.5 meters per second) yields a Strouhal number of roughly 0.13:

Image

... indicating a surprisingly efficient flight pattern falling well below the expected range of 0.2–0.4.

Although a definitive answer would of course require further measurements, published species-wide averages of wing length and body mass, initial Strouhal estimates based on those averages and cross-species comparisons, the Lund wind tunnel study of birds flying at a range of speeds, and revised Strouhal numbers based on that study all lead me to estimate that the average cruising airspeed velocity of an unladen European Swallow is roughly 11 meters per second, or 24 miles an hour.

:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Good lord man WHY........... >.>

I'd like to know who ridicules someone for asking questions. Seriously. It's called "New Biker's Forum" for a reason.

I don't even have a bike yet and I lurk here asking stuff occasionally :p

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:23 am
by jstark47
Aamalthea wrote:Good lord man WHY........... >.>

I'd like to know who ridicules someone for asking questions. Seriously. It's called "New Biker's Forum" for a reason.

I don't even have a bike yet and I lurk here asking stuff occasionally :p
Hello? Nobody's ridiculing anyone. Both the OP's and Texfire's questions had been well, truly, and seriously answered.

This is satire....... like Monty Python & the Holy Grail, y'know???

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 1:48 pm
by Texfire
jstark47 wrote:
Aamalthea wrote:Good lord man WHY........... >.>

I'd like to know who ridicules someone for asking questions. Seriously. It's called "New Biker's Forum" for a reason.

I don't even have a bike yet and I lurk here asking stuff occasionally :p
Hello? Nobody's ridiculing anyone. Both the OP's and Texfire's questions had been well, truly, and seriously answered.

This is satire....... like Monty Python & the Holy Grail, y'know???
Indeed. My answer was carefully interspersed between classic Python. A threadjacking equivalent of saying, "And now for something completely different..." :)

Tex

Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:13 pm
by Derail
Is engine braking bad for the engine, it feels like it would be terrible for it. But I believe I read or heard it was not. Just can't remember if it was a reliable source or not. Thanks :)