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High_Side wrote:

ravensr wrote: This past summer 7 out of 11 of the guys and girls that i ride with went down for various reasons and their gear saved every one of them so much pain and doctors bills, i would rather sweat my butt off then run the chance of gettin all tore up

At the risk of pissing even more people off, you really need to re-evaluate who you ride with. 7 out of 11 should be a HUGE RED-FLAG. There is something wrong with the group. Stop riding with them before one of them takes you out!

I am gobsmacked, 7 out of 11 just fry's my head. I think that you and your group need to examine why you are going down and I would also suggest that you invest some money into training. That's even cheaper than replacing leathers.

It shouldn't took a hammer to make you see that light. I would have to agree with High Side & sapaul on this. I ride alone quite abit or with just a few guys because I know how they ride and what to expect. Nobody has dumped in the last 11 yrs. Get some training before you guys drive our insurance rates beyond reach.......please!

most of the guys and girls that i ride with are very experienced riders, they have all rode for many years and are not crazy riders, this year just happened to be a bad year for them. I was only there for 2 of the accidents, however 3 of them were inexperienced,2 got scared in a corner, one was just being stupid on a on ramp. one was a unscene pothole in a corner which lead to a lack in ground clearence, and one was from screwing around in a parkinglot by setting up a course and running it (sort of like auto crossing), and the second to last was from a combination of new tire and cagers in the city, and the worse was my buddy getting rearended by a women talking on the phone comming into a construction zone. (he doing like 25-30 and she was at speed according to the police report)....as far as the group goes, we all know how each other rides and we usually ride in 2 groups if everyone is out for a ride, but usually it is only 3-4 at a time and most of the time i ride by myself unless im headed out for the weekend trips in the mountains.

ravensr wrote:most of the guys and girls that i ride with are very experienced riders, they have all rode for many years and are not crazy riders.

ravensr wrote: - 3 of them were inexperienced
- 2 got scared in a corner
- one was just being stupid on an on ramp
- one was a unseen pothole in a corner which lead to a lack in ground clearance
- one was from screwing around in a parking lot by setting up a course and running it

Need we analyze any further?

ravensr wrote:most of the guys and girls that i ride with are very experienced riders, they have all rode for many years and are not crazy riders, this year just happened to be a bad year for them.

Don't take this the wrong way but most of the accidents you describe should not have happened to competent riders regardless of experience (except the cell phone one of course). That is a very high percentage of a group that has hit the pavement in a period of one year. If you can justify it to yourself that they are safe to ride with, then go for it. From the outside however, it appears that some of them need to consider a different hobby.....

i agree with you that a few of them need more practice, and i understand where you are coming from. I usually ride with only a few of them, only a few times have i ridden with all of them, and most of the time it just myself and my cousin that go out for a ride. But there aren't alot of people that can get out and ride around my area, (that i have met) its just alot of fun doing some touring with a buddy or 2.

I have lots of practice when it comes to crashing.

I am not sure that there is a good way, I don't think I have ever got to excited or tensed up. The one thing they do teach you at the race schools is count to 3 when you think you are done sliding before you stand up. everything tends to happen in slow motion so it appears you have stopped when you have not.

I made a mistake, Russ who was taking pictures mangaged to catch it all on high speed film

To be good at anything requires practice

My son and I on our home race track, Russ is in the all black leathers

Great pics, those motards look like a lot of fun.

plasticweld wrote:I have lots of practice when it comes to crashing.

I am not sure that there is a good way, I don't think I have ever got to excited or tensed up. The one thing they do teach you at the race schools is count to 3 when you think you are done sliding before you stand up. everything tends to happen in slow motion so it appears you have stopped when you have not.

I made a mistake, Russ who was taking pictures mangaged to catch it all on high speed film

lucky. i wish i had a place like that to practice. And a road bike. I need to get me to an advanced riding school so i can learn to ride wicked good like that .