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Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:57 pm**

Oh,

CaT 5.......what does the Cat 5e do that the Cat 5 doesn't?

Yep, been there, done that. Built up here about 34 or so years ago, house burned down after 20 years and been here in our current home since then. Lot of work goes into house building, fun, but ya gotta have the time, which we don't right now. Hubby retiring this summer, so not sure what we will do yet.

We were going to build and do radiant floor heating, ahhh, nice, like we have in our downstairs here but just to do the cement work was right around $50,000.00 for the footprint that we wanted.

Since then, we have been reconsidering building anything very large up here. Looking now at something to "kick around in" in the summer and then go south for the winters.

So, we'll see what comes around the corner.

Enjoy the project!!

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:14 pm**

Bluebabe wrote:Oh, CaT 5.......what does the Cat 5e do that the Cat 5 doesn't?

Yep, been there, done that. We were opting for an easier way this time around

We were wanting to do radiant floor heating, ahhh, nice, like we have in our downstairs here but just to do the cement work was right around $50,000.00 for the footprint that we wanted.

Soooo, we are going to wait and do it ourselves when we have more time. Hubby retires this summer. Up here, the building season is pretty short and we would have to take off a majority of our summer from work to get it done....OR push ourselves so hard each day and we, like I said, been there, done that, don't need to "consciously" do that again!!

With Pex you dont need cement floors. Pex is friggen awesome for water lines and radiant heating

. Cat5e is just an upgraded form of cat5 but it is a better all around line for internet

.

I upgraded most of my house to pex when I rebuilt my bathroom and installed a half bathroom in my house. So much nicer to only have to use t's and end of line fittings. No 90's or unions or anything else is needed.

100ft copper = $130
100ft of 3/4" pex = $30.

see the difference? plus pex can expand to 50x its size before bursting.

for more info on Pex
http://www.ppfahome.org/pex/faqpex.html

sorry to hijack your thread but I enjoy talking up Pex. I guess the only problem is the tool is $100 to buy it or you can go to your local hardware store and rent it for $10/day. Unless you buy the quick disconnect fittings. then you dont need the crimp tool.

this is one of the tools.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Zurn-PEX-tool-for-1 ... dZViewItem

there are many more tools but if you go with the crimp fittings make sure you get the right tool because not all tools for pex are designed to do the same thing.

Posted: **Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:27 pm**

As someone said before, "Hijack away!"

Hmmm, asked hubby if he has heard of that before and he hasn't. But we think we remember see a show about it once and thought it was pretty cool.

Went to the site and it looks pretty interesting. I see it is used in below zero conditions, just wonder how cold it can go? Will have to ask some other builders up here about it. Our frost level sometimes can get down pretty deep. The less snow, the deeper the frost. I would be worried about freezing. Last year in some places it hit 18 feet down

Lots of frozen pipes.

It gets -40 and -50 sometimes for a couple of weeks easy and so not sure if that would be the best application for this climate, but will check it out, thanks!

(Oh, if you notice there is another answer almost the same, I was editing my post when you answered it, so that's why!)

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:04 am**

Bluebabe wrote:As someone said before, "Hijack away!"

Hmmm, asked hubby if he has heard of that before and he hasn't. But we think we remember see a show about it once and thought it was pretty cool.

Went to the site and it looks pretty interesting. I see it is used in below zero conditions, just wonder how cold it can go? Will have to ask some other builders up here about it. Our frost level sometimes can get down pretty deep. The less snow, the deeper the frost. I would be worried about freezing. Last year in some places it hit 18 feet down Lots of frozen pipes.

It gets -40 and -50 sometimes for a couple of weeks easy and so not sure if that would be the best application for this climate, but will check it out, thanks!

(Oh, if you notice there is another answer almost the same, I was editing my post when you answered it, so that's why!)

Ouch 18 feet? better off digging it down 20 feet laying it and then running it from under the house

. less chance of freezing. I would say the same for any application you use. I havent a clue how deep it goes here but the last time I had to dig a hole the ground was only frozen about 2 and half feet down. here it gets to usually a max of -20 and I havent had my piping burst "yet".

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:09 am**

Hiya BI

So long as you leave the tyre iron at home I'll come say welcome to the site, too

. We can do with a few more not-quite-so-young bikers posting (does the 'not-quite-so-young' work for you blues?

).

I'm not really a HD man, myself, but love the sidecar outfit.

You're right, it's a great site.

Enjoy.

Posted: **Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:53 am**

sv-wolf wrote:Hiya BI

So long as you leave the tyre iron at home I'll come say welcome to the site, too . We can do with a few more not-quite-so-young bikers posting (does the 'not-quite-so-young' work for you blues? ).

Works for me.

I'm not really a HD man, myself, but love the sidecar outfit.

You're right, it's a great site.

Enjoy.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:24 am**

svwolf,

Thanks for the greetings and salutations

As we speak I am down in good ole North Carolina wracking up the miles on the side hack. It was getting way to cold/slippery up north to ride safely anymore so a took a 2 week hiatus to acclimate to the new side car rig. It was 78 degrees here while 29 degree elsewhere. I put on about 500+ miles so far and still 1 1/2 weeks to go. Its odd different and a cautious new experince that with each pasing mile I am feel a little more comfortable.

Had an unexpectd suprise yesterday when out of the middle of no where a 4x4 board was lying length wise across the road. It was either take the hit from the board or the 18 wheeler coming at me in the on coming lane. I took the board as I had my wife and grandson in the sidehack. When we hit the board at 50+ miles it lifted the sidecar up. When I eventually got home the damage was minor all things considered. The fender trim and fender on the side car side was dented.

Posted: **Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:39 pm**

Thank God that's all that happened! It may have been worse if they weren't in the side car, you think? Granted, scary with them in there, but their weight I think, would have alleviated any additional problems...?

Like your sig says......"A bad day on two wheels......."

Glad to hear that's all that happened. One of those times where your heart jumps into your throat and you just hang on!

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:39 am**

BB,

You ain't just kidding. And you're probably accurate about the weight being an advantage to the situation. It was one of those just hang on and see what happens, play it by ear.........

Posted: **Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:27 am**

Just glad to hear that you and the family are okay, what did they say/do?

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