2017 Zero FXS - Coolness Factor = 59.7%
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2017 Zero FXS - Coolness Factor = 59.7%
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Stealthily dice through any urban obstacle...
Ride the City. Rail the Track.
Whether you’re charging through the inner city supermoto style or indulging in backroad shenanigans, the new Zero FXS is ready to push the limits. Delivering a nearly instantaneous 78 ft-lb of torque, up to 46 hp and weighing less than 300 lbs, the Zero FXS is quick and agile. Suspension and brakes are ideally suited to the rigors of spirited riding, giving the rider greater control. 17-inch wheels and Pirelli Diablo Rosso II tires provide superior grip and corner control…for good reason: the throttle response is simply stunning. The Zero FXS takes supermoto to a new level. Think of it as supermoto on steroids.
No ride time is wasted thanks to its maintenance-free powertrain, and each mile covered costs only around a penny in electricity. The Zero FXS features an optional unique, patented modular power pack system that allows recharging either on or off the bike, making it ideal for the city. With advanced ABS, fully adjustable suspension, dual projector beam headlights, alloy wheels and high performance street tires, it’s ready to hit the supermoto track or turn formerly mundane tasks into thrilling rides.
2017 Zero FXS www.Totalmotorcycle.com Key Features
2017 Advancements
Upgraded Power Packs with a New Five-Year, Unlimited-Mileage Warranty
11% More Torque. 5% Increase in Power. Smoother Delivery.
Wider, Stronger Drive Belt
2017 Zero FXS - www.Totalmotorcycle.com USA Specifications/Technical Details
US MSRP Price: $8,495 to $10,995 USD
Canada MSRP Price: $10995 to $14,395 CAD
range ZERO FXS ZF3.3 MODULAR
City 45 miles (72 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 27 miles (43 km)
» Combined 34 miles (55 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 18 miles (29 km)
» Combined 26 miles (42 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 27 hp (20 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 101,000 miles (163,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent modular
Max capacity 3.3 kWh
Nominal capacity 2.9 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 4.7 hours (100% charged) / 4.2 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 2.1 hours (100% charged) / 1.6 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.5 hours (100% charged) / 1.0 hour (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 251 lb (114 kg)
Carrying capacity 379 lb (172 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.37
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $7,645
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $8,495
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
range ZERO FXS ZF6.5
City 90 miles (145 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 54 miles (87 km)
» Combined 68 miles (109 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 37 miles (60 km)
» Combined 52 miles (84 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 46 hp (34 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 203,000 miles (327,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent integrated
Max capacity 6.5 kWh
Nominal capacity 5.7 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 8.9 hours (100% charged) / 8.4 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 3.8 hours (100% charged) / 3.3 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.7 hours (100% charged) / 1.2 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 293 lb (133 kg)
Carrying capacity 337 lb (153 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.73
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $9,445
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $10,495
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
range ZERO FXS ZF6.5 MODULAR
City 90 miles (145 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 54 miles (87 km)
» Combined 68 miles (109 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 37 miles (60 km)
» Combined 52 miles (84 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 46 hp (34 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 203,000 miles (327,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent modular
Max capacity 6.5 kWh
Nominal capacity 5.7 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 8.9 hours (100% charged) / 8.4 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 3.8 hours (100% charged) / 3.3 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.7 hours (100% charged) / 1.2 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 293 lb (133 kg)
Carrying capacity 337 lb (153 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.73
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $9,895
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $10,995
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
For MORE information and Photos click here: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcyc ... ro-FXS.htm
2017 Zero FXS on www.Totalmotorcycle.com
Stealthily dice through any urban obstacle...
Ride the City. Rail the Track.
Whether you’re charging through the inner city supermoto style or indulging in backroad shenanigans, the new Zero FXS is ready to push the limits. Delivering a nearly instantaneous 78 ft-lb of torque, up to 46 hp and weighing less than 300 lbs, the Zero FXS is quick and agile. Suspension and brakes are ideally suited to the rigors of spirited riding, giving the rider greater control. 17-inch wheels and Pirelli Diablo Rosso II tires provide superior grip and corner control…for good reason: the throttle response is simply stunning. The Zero FXS takes supermoto to a new level. Think of it as supermoto on steroids.
No ride time is wasted thanks to its maintenance-free powertrain, and each mile covered costs only around a penny in electricity. The Zero FXS features an optional unique, patented modular power pack system that allows recharging either on or off the bike, making it ideal for the city. With advanced ABS, fully adjustable suspension, dual projector beam headlights, alloy wheels and high performance street tires, it’s ready to hit the supermoto track or turn formerly mundane tasks into thrilling rides.
2017 Zero FXS www.Totalmotorcycle.com Key Features
2017 Advancements
Upgraded Power Packs with a New Five-Year, Unlimited-Mileage Warranty
11% More Torque. 5% Increase in Power. Smoother Delivery.
Wider, Stronger Drive Belt
2017 Zero FXS - www.Totalmotorcycle.com USA Specifications/Technical Details
US MSRP Price: $8,495 to $10,995 USD
Canada MSRP Price: $10995 to $14,395 CAD
range ZERO FXS ZF3.3 MODULAR
City 45 miles (72 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 27 miles (43 km)
» Combined 34 miles (55 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 18 miles (29 km)
» Combined 26 miles (42 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 27 hp (20 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 101,000 miles (163,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent modular
Max capacity 3.3 kWh
Nominal capacity 2.9 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 4.7 hours (100% charged) / 4.2 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 2.1 hours (100% charged) / 1.6 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.5 hours (100% charged) / 1.0 hour (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 251 lb (114 kg)
Carrying capacity 379 lb (172 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.37
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $7,645
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $8,495
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
range ZERO FXS ZF6.5
City 90 miles (145 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 54 miles (87 km)
» Combined 68 miles (109 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 37 miles (60 km)
» Combined 52 miles (84 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 46 hp (34 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 203,000 miles (327,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent integrated
Max capacity 6.5 kWh
Nominal capacity 5.7 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 8.9 hours (100% charged) / 8.4 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 3.8 hours (100% charged) / 3.3 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.7 hours (100% charged) / 1.2 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 293 lb (133 kg)
Carrying capacity 337 lb (153 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.73
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $9,445
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $10,495
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
range ZERO FXS ZF6.5 MODULAR
City 90 miles (145 km)
Highway, 55 mph (89 km/h) 54 miles (87 km)
» Combined 68 miles (109 km)
Highway, 70 mph (113 km/h) 37 miles (60 km)
» Combined 52 miles (84 km)
Motor
Peak torque 78 ft-lb (106 Nm)
Peak power 46 hp (34 kW) @ 4,300 rpm
Top speed (max) 85 mph (137 km/h)
Top speed (sustained) 75 mph (121 km/h)
Type Z-Force® 75-5 passively air-cooled, high efficiency, radial flux, interior permanent magnet, brushless motor
Controller High efficiency, 550 amp, 3-phase brushless controller with regenerative deceleration
Power system
Est. pack life to 80% (city) 203,000 miles (327,000 km)
Power pack Z-Force® Li-Ion intelligent modular
Max capacity 6.5 kWh
Nominal capacity 5.7 kWh
Charger type 650 W, integrated
Charge time (standard) 8.9 hours (100% charged) / 8.4 hours (95% charged)
» With one accessory charger 3.8 hours (100% charged) / 3.3 hours (95% charged)
» With max accessory chargers 1.7 hours (100% charged) / 1.2 hours (95% charged)
Input Standard 110 V or 220 V
Drivetrain
Transmission Clutchless direct drive
Final drive 90T / 20T, Poly Chain® HTD® Carbon™ belt
Chassis / Suspension / Brakes
Front suspension Showa 41 mm inverted cartridge forks, with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Rear suspension Showa 40 mm piston, piggy-back reservoir shock with adjustable spring preload, compression and rebound damping
Front suspension travel 7.00 in (178 mm)
Rear suspension travel 8.94 in (227 mm)
Front brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan asymmetric dual piston floating caliper, 320 x 5 mm disc
Rear brakes Bosch Gen 9 ABS, J-Juan single piston floating caliper, 240 x 4.5 mm disc
Front tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 110/70-17
Rear tire Pirelli Diablo Rosso II 140/70-17
Front wheel 3.00 x 17
Rear wheel 3.50 x 17
Dimensions
Wheelbase 56.0 in (1,422 mm)
Seat height 32.9 in (836 mm)
Rake 24.4°
Trail 2.8 in (71 mm)
Weight
Frame 20 lb (9.1 kg)
Curb weight 293 lb (133 kg)
Carrying capacity 337 lb (153 kg)
Economy
Equivalent fuel economy (city) 530 MPGe (0.44 l/100 km)
Equivalent fuel economy (highway) 215 MPGe (1.09 l/100 km)
Typical cost to recharge $0.73
Pricing
Effective price after federal tax credit $9,895
(Additional government incentives may be available)
MSRP $10,995
(Does not include government incentives. Does not include local shipping, applicable taxes, PDI, or road registration fees.)
Warranty
Standard motorcycle warranty* 2 years
Power pack warranty* 5 years/unlimited miles
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
A new model for Zero, and I thought with the Tesla 3 model coming out and electric cars/hybrids becoming more the norm, maybe, just maybe, opinions and ideas about an all-electric motorcycle might just be changing...
So what are your thoughts? Are you ready to give electric bikes the try today or...?
Mike
So what are your thoughts? Are you ready to give electric bikes the try today or...?
Mike
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
Again, the same issues with all battery powered machines.
1) They are not green.
There batteries require raw earths to be made, and the mining and processing of these raw earths are energy intensive as is the manufacturing of them into batteries which in turn need to be transported overseas to electrical vehicle manfucturers assembly plants. All this off set any green benefit running a battery powered vehicle may have. Then there is the issue of recharging the batteries. Unless you live in a place like BC as I do where the vast majority of the electrical power we consume is generated by hydro electric dams, the electrical power required to recharge the batteriers of your electric vehicle is most like generate by the burning of hydrocarbons, ie coal, oil, natural gas etc. So basically you are just trading off one form of cabon emission generation for another. It is my personal opinion that battery powered vehicles are little more than a stop gap system that should and must be replaced by hydrogen powered machines in the future.
2) Limited Range
Again the biggest draw back of these machine is their limited range and run time. While okay as urban commuters (especially if your place of work offers recharging parking),they are off limited ultility for anything more such as touring machine. Cars have addressed this range problem by basically foregoing the pure battery power route and instead have opted for the hybred route.
3) Recharging time
Now matter how good battery technology gets, it will never come anywhere close to being as effiecent speed wise when it comes to topping up the battery as it is to topping up a gas tank. True having recharging points at work or in public parking locations helps, but if you are on a trip and your battery is getting close to flat, you will have to find a recharging point and then settle down for at least a couple of hour while your battery takes on a useful charge.
So while I find the electric bike interesting as a concept and research idea, I have to give it a fail due to its glaring limitations and draw backs......plus I give it a massive uncool fail vote because they are touted as being "green" when they most certainly are not..
1) They are not green.
There batteries require raw earths to be made, and the mining and processing of these raw earths are energy intensive as is the manufacturing of them into batteries which in turn need to be transported overseas to electrical vehicle manfucturers assembly plants. All this off set any green benefit running a battery powered vehicle may have. Then there is the issue of recharging the batteries. Unless you live in a place like BC as I do where the vast majority of the electrical power we consume is generated by hydro electric dams, the electrical power required to recharge the batteriers of your electric vehicle is most like generate by the burning of hydrocarbons, ie coal, oil, natural gas etc. So basically you are just trading off one form of cabon emission generation for another. It is my personal opinion that battery powered vehicles are little more than a stop gap system that should and must be replaced by hydrogen powered machines in the future.
2) Limited Range
Again the biggest draw back of these machine is their limited range and run time. While okay as urban commuters (especially if your place of work offers recharging parking),they are off limited ultility for anything more such as touring machine. Cars have addressed this range problem by basically foregoing the pure battery power route and instead have opted for the hybred route.
3) Recharging time
Now matter how good battery technology gets, it will never come anywhere close to being as effiecent speed wise when it comes to topping up the battery as it is to topping up a gas tank. True having recharging points at work or in public parking locations helps, but if you are on a trip and your battery is getting close to flat, you will have to find a recharging point and then settle down for at least a couple of hour while your battery takes on a useful charge.
So while I find the electric bike interesting as a concept and research idea, I have to give it a fail due to its glaring limitations and draw backs......plus I give it a massive uncool fail vote because they are touted as being "green" when they most certainly are not..
Always ask why.
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
Unless they install a solar panel somewhere to keep it charging...fail.
It would only be good for a commuter/no day tripping or multi day trips.
It would only be good for a commuter/no day tripping or multi day trips.
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
I can't disagree that this particular electric bike is truly a "FAIL". While it may be drop-dead F-ugle it is also incredibly inefficient. That for me makes just about all electric bikes a fail right now (except..... see the article about the HD electric bike that they may some day actually produce: https://electrek.co/2016/06/14/harley-d ... n-5-years/ this one is actually an incredibly good looking machine... efficiency yet to be determined). Anyhow, until manufacturers truly embrace efficient battery technologies both cars and bikes will suffer a lack of range and excessive charging times. Is there a future for them... ABSOLUTELY. I don't really care about their manufacturing carbon footprint as that will be off-set with their efficiency throughout their life cycle... and there are obviously different schools of thought on that one. Having been involved with electric motor performance and efficiency throughout my career I can honestly say that they currently are and always will be more efficient and more powerful than most internal combustion engines. Will that ever cause me to stop burning carbon fossil fuels... never. "GREEN" is an incredible money making term that gets abusively attached to everything from saving the planet and all of man-kind to stopping poverty to causing you to change all of the lightbulbs in your house... also a FAIL.
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
Well thought-out discussions like this are one of the main reasons I enjoy putting up the Cool Wall bikes each and every Friday. Hopefully we can have more viewpoints on electric bikes as this thread ages.
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
I voted: Uncool
I'm quite split on the idea of an electric bike, but I don't like the idea of an electric car either. More of a meh, I won't own one if I don't think it can offset the negatives. By negative, it's range, cost, appearance and sound.
While the Zero (and other electric bikes) may not be for me, I do applaud their innovation and technology. Electric bikes might be the future, but I'm still not 100% sold yet. Diesel was supposed to be the future, so was Hydrogen. Go back far enough it was steam. Here in Ontario, electricity prices are insane, a tiered system from 8 cents kwH to 18 kwH, double that for "delivery charges/fees/riders/etc). That's x3 more expensive than Alberta was at 4 kwH; so I don't know how "cheap" it is to really charge up a bike (or car) at these rates. So that might just offset "it's cheap to run" bonus.
If I was going to buy a Zero FXS, it would have to be the big electric motor for the useable range (90 miles) and to have some power at a price that isn't that bad... and for the price, that really isn't that bad as you can be an early adopter but not pay too much for entry.
To sum up, it will be interesting to see where Zero goes. Brammo was purchased by Victory, and as we know, Victory is gone, and maybe Brammo too by default...
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I'm quite split on the idea of an electric bike, but I don't like the idea of an electric car either. More of a meh, I won't own one if I don't think it can offset the negatives. By negative, it's range, cost, appearance and sound.
While the Zero (and other electric bikes) may not be for me, I do applaud their innovation and technology. Electric bikes might be the future, but I'm still not 100% sold yet. Diesel was supposed to be the future, so was Hydrogen. Go back far enough it was steam. Here in Ontario, electricity prices are insane, a tiered system from 8 cents kwH to 18 kwH, double that for "delivery charges/fees/riders/etc). That's x3 more expensive than Alberta was at 4 kwH; so I don't know how "cheap" it is to really charge up a bike (or car) at these rates. So that might just offset "it's cheap to run" bonus.
If I was going to buy a Zero FXS, it would have to be the big electric motor for the useable range (90 miles) and to have some power at a price that isn't that bad... and for the price, that really isn't that bad as you can be an early adopter but not pay too much for entry.
To sum up, it will be interesting to see where Zero goes. Brammo was purchased by Victory, and as we know, Victory is gone, and maybe Brammo too by default...
Mike
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
Hey guys! I voted cool. The main reason being one mile = 1 cent. Wow. Now I get it, electric doesn't appeal to everyone and sales are likely still quite low for this model, so part of my cool is for the fact that Zero continues to refine the line in the hopes that one day it catches on strong. In the meantime, I'd like to flick this thing around the race track!
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Re: This Week: 2017 Zero FXS - VOTE NOW
2017 Zero FXS - Coolness Factor = 59.7%
Featured: April 7th, 2017 - April 14th, 2017
Most popular vote category: TIE Awesome/Cool
Motorcycle Cool Wall discussion: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=54291
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Your Coolness Factor of the 2017 Zero FXS is:
Awesome (3 points) 6
Cool (2 points) 6
Uncool (1 point) 4
Fail (0 point) 5
Total votes: 21
= a Coolwall Factor of 59.7%
Total Motorcycle's Take-a-way: This week's bike, the Zero FXS, created some great discussions, not only about the model, but about electric bikes in general. Markdcoco makes some thoughtful comments that "Green" really is more a marketing term than actual "good for the environment". Something I have wondered myself with all the end of life batteries in Hybrid cars. One of the biggest challenges ceemes points out is recharge time... does anyone want to wait at a "gas" station for hours before continuing their day trip?
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Featured: April 7th, 2017 - April 14th, 2017
Most popular vote category: TIE Awesome/Cool
Motorcycle Cool Wall discussion: viewtopic.php?f=61&t=54291
Total Motorcycle model page: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/motorcyc ... ro-FXS.htm
Your Coolness Factor of the 2017 Zero FXS is:
Awesome (3 points) 6
Cool (2 points) 6
Uncool (1 point) 4
Fail (0 point) 5
Total votes: 21
= a Coolwall Factor of 59.7%
Total Motorcycle's Take-a-way: This week's bike, the Zero FXS, created some great discussions, not only about the model, but about electric bikes in general. Markdcoco makes some thoughtful comments that "Green" really is more a marketing term than actual "good for the environment". Something I have wondered myself with all the end of life batteries in Hybrid cars. One of the biggest challenges ceemes points out is recharge time... does anyone want to wait at a "gas" station for hours before continuing their day trip?
Mike
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Re: 2017 Zero FXS - Coolness Factor = 59.7%
Looks like it's missing a chunk between the front wheel and the rest of the bike. Doesn't flow right for me. Uncool.
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