Wind resistance ??? or what??

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Wind resistance ??? or what??

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Last Monday (2-13-06), I left home (KC area) for Corpus Christi, TX, in 18 degree weather and bucking a 20-30mph headwind. I was riding solo and carrying about 50lbs of gear on the buddy seat and luggage rack (Honda Shadow Spirit 1100). I stopped for gas about every 70-80 miles because after the first stop, I discovered I was only getting between 35-40 mpg, down from my normal 42-45 mpg around home.

As I rode along, I noticed that 70-75 mph was about all I could get out of my bike, even at full throttle, unlike the usual 90+ around home (and in warmer temps). I was in 5th gear most of the time and I could milk a little more speed if I downshifted to 4th, but I didn't want to run that high RPM for long periods of time.

As the day wore on and I got further south, the temperature rose. It may have been my imagination, but it seemed like the engine performed better as the air temp increased. Still, I was fighting a terrible headwind, almost exactly "on the bow", and the engine just didn't want to give me much more than 75-80 mph under the best of circumstances.

I did notice that when I started downhill and the "load" was lighter, it would give better speed with a little less throttle. Also, when trucks passed me and I was in their wake, the bike performed slightly better until the truck was far enough in front of me that I lost the effect of their wake.

This went on until I arrived in Ft. Worth, TX, that evening, and again, all day Tuesday until I arrived in Corpus Christi. I was fighting a headwind that varied from 20 to 40 mph and sometimes greater - mostly right on the nose.

I noticed (I think) that as long as I had just enough throttle rolled in to hold my speed at about 70-75, I could maintain that speed, but if I rolled in too much throttle, the engine seemed to "bog down" and I actually lost speed even though I was giving it slightly more throttle. Then I would downshift to 4th gear and roll on more throttle and as the engine RPM increased, the "bog down" (or throttle overload) seemed to go away and I accelerated to about 80, perhaps a little more if I stayed on it. Then, when I shifted up to 5th, I had to carefully roll on just enough throttle to maintain my speed; otherwise, it "bogged down" again.

It also seemed like increases in head winds and/or uphill grades would cause the engine to bog down unless I reduced throttle, but once the wind or hill was past, I could gently roll on a little more throttle and creep back up to 70-75 mph - or downshift to 4th and accelerate back to 75-80 mph fairly quickly - and begin the whole process all over again.

After I got to Corpus Christi, I visited the local Honda dealer service manager and described what I have just told you. He told me that the engine was just loading up because it was unable to completely utilize the amount of fuel being fed into it by my throttle setting, in light of the load it was under, and by downshifting to 4th gear and running at a higher RPM, it was "cleaning up" excess fuel and consequently ran better and easier until the load was put back on it. He assured me that my experience was typical of my size bike/engine under those circumstances and there was nothing wrong - just an 1100cc engine working against that kind of headwind with a windshield and a load. He told me that I probably wouldn't have had this same experience with the VTX1300 (or bigger) because of their greater low end torque.

I fully expected some kind of wind resistance when I started, but I guess I wasn't expecting the degree to which it slowed me down and affected throttle settings. Up to this point, the bike had always responded to every throttle demand like it was a GP racer, but these were all just putting around the local area - and I hadn't ridden at any highway speeds at the temperature I encountered Monday morning.

Have any of you had similar experiences? Do you agree with the service manager's assessment? :roll:

Share your thoughts. :?

I'm headed back to KC next week and I'd be interested in seeing your feedback before I leave. :shock:
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#2 Unread post by BuzZz »

Don't know for sure, but it don't sound right to me.

Cold air is denser, so you can burn more fuel per any given intake stroke. The colder it the intake air, the more power you can get from your engine, as long as give it enough extra fuel. So the cylinders loading up sounds like a line to me.....

You might want to check your air filter, or your mufflers for restrictions.... it could just be the bike don't have the jam to push all that frontal area through that much wind... but an 1100 should have more oomph than that, shouldn't it? Even if it is a cruiser lump.... hopefully someone who rides a similar bike can shed some light on this.
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#3 Unread post by ZooTech »

An 1100 loaded down with gear, a windshield, and a head-wind.....sounds like a struggle to maintain 80mph is to be expected. Having ridden an 1100 myself (V-Star Classic), I could easily see it struggling under those circumstances.

If you're disappointed with the power you might consider an intake/exhaust/TFI combo to harness more power from that mill. The V-Star I rode responded very well to some new pipes, a BAK, and a rejet.
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#4 Unread post by flynrider »

I'm think you're on track with the wind explanation. Riding at 75 mph into a 25 mph headwind requires about the same amount of horsepower as riding 100 mph in calm conditions. Above 35 mph, almost all of the horsepower you're dishing out is for overcoming wind resistance. Riding head on into a stiff wind will both slow you down,and burn a lot more gas as your engine is having to supply more horsepower. Fuel comsuption is directly related to power output.

I discovered this first hand on one of my early, long-haul, cross-country rides. My bike was heavily loaded for two weeks of camping on the road. I had a windshield up front and a bit frame pack strapped to the sissy bar. Sticking out into the breeze on ether side of the frame pack was a sleeping bag and a 3 man tent. Overall, it was as aerodynamic as a barn door. Add to that a steady 25 mph headwind and the stage was set.

My bike delivered a solid 50 mpg in both city and highway driving, and had for years. As I took off on the first leg, I planned a fuel stop 120 miles ahead. Normally I could go 150 miles before reserve. Imagine my surprise when the bike started sputtering after 85 miles. I thought I had an engine problem, but decided to switch to reserve on a hunch. Sure enough, the engine started purring like a kitten. Only problem was that the next gas station was 20 miles away and I only had about 1/2 gallon of gas left. My mileage had been cut almost in half, thanks to the headwind and my poor choice of loading. I eventually ended up coasting into the gas station.

I repacked the load so that everything was behind me and the shield. It helped the mileage a bit, but the headwind still kept my top speed at around 75 mph (normally 105). The next day, there was no headwind and everything went back to normal. It was a good lesson in aerodynamics.
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#5 Unread post by plainsman »

Halleluya!! Home at last - and the trip north was a vast improvement over the southbound leg (not counting the temperature). :D

Instead of the headwind, I had a tailwind for the most part. I was amazed at the difference just the wind made. Wow! I think I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it. :shock:

Another aspect to the northbound return trip was the two-lane roads instead of the Interstate system. It was great. Sure, there were more traffic lights and school zones, etc., but overall, it was MUCH more fun than the Interstate.

I also learned how much easier it is to pass on a motorcycle rather than a "cage". Along with that, I also learned how easy it is to look down at the speedo and discover that you're doing 80+ mph, even 90+ on occasion. Although I didn't see very many cops in over 2,000 miles, none of them indicated any interest in me, regardless of how fast I was going. Hmmmm? :roll:

I also discovered a "benefit" of a headlight modulator. Apparently some folks interpret a rapidly flashing headlight coming up behind them, as a cop, even if the rider is wearing bright yellow gear and matching helmet. I was amazed at the reaction I got from some folks. One guy in a PU in Texas, almost ran off the road in an effort to get out of my way when he finally noticed me behind him. I certainly didn't expect this kind of response, but it was kinda fun after a while. I was careful to wave in appreciation after I passed one of these folks. :D

Another pleasant experience on this trip, was finding fellow bikers everywhere I turned - for any of you older guys (and gals), most of the bikers I encountered, were "Seniors" - 60 and up. One guy in La Grange, Texas, had just had his Harley (don't remember what model) converted to a trike and it was beautiful. He was 73, a widower, and his small dog rode in the buddy seat behind him. Absolutely terrific!! I also met a fellow biker in the person of a prison guard who was supervising a group of prisoners cleaning up a rest area in Oklahoma. He also was a Harley fan. Just too cool. :D

It was a great trip overall and I gained a whole new appreciation for Iron Butt members. I learned to have more faith in my bike, which functioned flawlessly (other than bucking the headwind southbound :x ). It isn't something I'd wanna do every day, but a 100-200 mile trip now won't cause the apprehension that it did before this trip. :wink:

Thanks for your feedback. I appreciate it. You're a great bunch of fellow bikers. 8)
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#6 Unread post by jmillheiser »

Headwinds and crosswinds suck. My bike struggles to maintain 75 into a headwind but will do 90 without trying with a tailwind. At least I dont get blown around too badly despite being on a realtively small bike.
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"have any of you had similar experienes?"

#7 Unread post by Bubba »

Hell no, because I don't take a motorcycle out in 18 degree weather with 30MPH head winds!
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#8 Unread post by plainsman »

Hey, Bubba - it's all in the mind.... :wink:
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#9 Unread post by Bubba »

[quote="plainsman"]Hey, Bubba - it's all in the mind.... :wink:[/quote]

Last time I rode in 30 degree weather, my eye froze.
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#10 Unread post by plainsman »

Just one eye??? :?

That's why full face helmets were invented. :wink:
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