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Brazilian Wanted to Earn Money to Go Home

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Ok, if this story doesn't make your heart bleed nothing will! :cry:

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Brazilian Wanted to Earn Money to Go Home
By ALAN CLENDENNING, Associated Press Writer
Los Angeles Times - latimes.com




GONZAGA, Brazil -- Jean Charles de Menezes couldn't get ahead at home so he went to Britain to eke out a living as an electrician, hoping he could return to this rugged, farming community with enough savings to become a cattle rancher.

The 27-year-old mistaken for a terrorist and shot dead last week by police on a London subway recently told family members he would have enough cash in a few years so he would never have to leave Brazil again.


But this Sunday, his father, Matzinhos, cried in the family's small concrete home with red roof tiles at the end of a rutted dirt road. He was holding a recent photo of his bare-chested son smiling while lifting weights.

During the trip home last year, Menezes told family members and friends he was doing well, making good money and friends, and driving a relatively new pickup truck. His father, a bricklayer and lifelong Gonzaga resident, was concerned London could be dangerous, but Menezes told him not to worry.

"They don't have violence," he recalled his son saying. "It's good there, nobody walks around with a gun."

Menezes was killed Friday at the Stockwell subway station as police investigated the series of botched transit bombings a day earlier and the attacks of July 7 that killed 56 people, including four bombers.

Witnesses said Menezes was wearing a heavy, padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him in the head and torso.

London Police Commissioner Ian Blair initially said Menezes was "directly linked" to the bombings investigations, but police then said Saturday he had no connection to the attacks. The shooting is being investigated.

Menezes, called "Jim" by his English friends, was believed to have been on his way to repair an alarm in the Wilsden Green neighborhood when he was shot, according to his cousin, Alex Pereira, who lives in London. Menezes carried his electrical tools in a knapsack, and often took the subway to work at different sites around the city.

Menezes' mother, Maria, said her son's fascination with electricity began when he was small, perhaps because it did not reach their home amid groves of banana and orange trees about 12 miles from the town center. When Menezes was 10, he built a radio from scratch and decided he wanted to become an electrician, she said.

"He was just so happy to see that it worked," she sobbed, as relatives consoled her and urged her to keep faith in God.

Gonzaga is a town of 7,000 where restaurants close on Sunday and residents drive their motorcycles around the town square for fun.

Like many Brazilians, Menezes moved to Sao Paulo, Brazil's largest city, as a young man seeking work. But after years of toiling as an electrician, he decided he would never be able to save enough in a country where tens of millions make only the monthly minimum wage of $125.

Making the decision to leave Brazil was not particularly difficult for Menezes because he was a "Mineiro," or native of the central state of Minas Gerais, long known for exporting its residents in droves to the United States and Europe, where they seek to make enough money for a big nest egg to bring home.

His father said he wanted to go to the United States but could not get a work visa. But he managed to get permission from Britain, relatives said, and became fluent in English after living there for nine months.

Menezes' father learned of his son's death when a doctor from Gonzaga who treats him for high blood pressure showed up Saturday on a special visit, first giving him the treatment and then telling him to brace himself because his son was the Brazilian who had been killed.

His voice shaking, Menezes' father said he still does not know when his son's body will be sent home for burial. Relatives want those officers responsible for the death to be punished.

"We are just hoping that there will be justice," he said.

Added his wife: "I'm totally outraged with the police. How can they kill workers?"

Gonzaga residents remembered Menezes as a smiling young man who loved to come home and hang around with his 20-something friends, who spent their spare time partying because there is little else to do in the town. But, they said, Menezes had a more serious side to him.

"The only things to do here are drink, dance and eat barbecue," said Raimundo Neves, a hotel owner and former trucker whose son grew up with Menezes. "But he hardly drank or smoked."

For good reason, his mother said.

"He wanted to control his future," she said. "He lived for the future and now we have a pain that nothing will cure."
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#2 Unread post by oldnslo »

Well, now we know that in spite of being Brazilian, he had mastered English, which eliminates the "couldn't understand the command to stop" defense. I don't know what the weather is in England this time of year, but a heavy padded coat in the US, say in LA or NY would, in addition to the guy being dark-skinned, running, and refusing to stop would definitely get the profiling mechanism going in any cop's mind, particularly in view of what has happened over there recently. In addition, weren't the cops given a "shoot to kill" order? Usually, if that order is issued, someone is likely to be shot and killed. It's a license to do just that, right or wrong. It is about the most extreme measure that can be taken.
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Add to that the Policemen chasing him were probably at the scene of the recent bombings and had a pretty clear picture of the damage that can be done, and they were instructed to shoot for the head (a wounded moving human can still detonate a bomb).

That was their job and they did it.
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the cops were not in uniform, the guy could have been scared seeing a group of people running at him screaming. as he probally has been mistaken for an arab recently and the fear of an angry mob after you is enough to make you run. hes from brazil its Very hot there, the heat in england would be no thing for this guy so being cold there in the summer isnt out of the question for him.

most importantly they had the guy on the ground contained Then shot him in the back of the head and back 5 times. sounds more like an execution than killing him to protect the citizens.
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Being British and I have grown up with the British Police they would have made very clear of who they were and would have made numerous attempts to stop him before shooting. I think he probably had a some drugs on him or had committed a minor crime at some point so that's why he ran.I total defend the police on this one and hopefully will make the terrorists think twice. I do feel sorry for all people who will be targeted unfairly but until the Muslim councils of the world stand up and actually say they have had enough and will help bring them to justice rather than just always saying well they are not true islamics and nothing to do with us, the racial profiling will get worse.
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iwannadie wrote:the cops were not in uniform, the guy could have been scared seeing a group of people running at him screaming. as he probally has been mistaken for an arab recently and the fear of an angry mob after you is enough to make you run. hes from brazil its Very hot there, the heat in england would be no thing for this guy so being cold there in the summer isnt out of the question for him.

most importantly they had the guy on the ground contained Then shot him in the back of the head and back 5 times. sounds more like an execution than killing him to protect the citizens.
Although, our cops do tend to be reasonable good at shouting the word "police", before they issue any instructions, such as "freeze"
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law and order period.when challenged by a duly sworn officer of the law to stop either stop or get shot.
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Nibblet99 wrote:
iwannadie wrote:the cops were not in uniform, the guy could have been scared seeing a group of people running at him screaming. as he probally has been mistaken for an arab recently and the fear of an angry mob after you is enough to make you run. hes from brazil its Very hot there, the heat in england would be no thing for this guy so being cold there in the summer isnt out of the question for him.

most importantly they had the guy on the ground contained Then shot him in the back of the head and back 5 times. sounds more like an execution than killing him to protect the citizens.
Although, our cops do tend to be reasonable good at shouting the word "police", before they issue any instructions, such as "freeze"
noone knows if they were shouting police or making any attempt to show a badge. again if the guy saw a bunch of people pointing guns at him screaming something about a bomb he could have thought it was an angry mob. or even if he knew it was the police obviously they were about to shoot him no matter what he did so he tried to run. noone knows what the cops were saying but it was obvioulsy enough to scare the guy whatever they were saying. doesnt explain Why they had him on the ground contained then shot 5 times in to the back of his head and his back.
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Here is a broad description of the reasoning for head shots in disarming a suspected suicide bomber: A torso shot, which is the basic bring -down high-percentage shot for police everywhere, may in fact set off the explosive device. Additionally, a torso shot may only bring the suspect down, in which case he can manually set off the explosive device. This leaves the leg shot, generally not used because of its general inneffectiveness, which means it is hard to hit running legs. Additionally, even if a leg is hit, the bomber can still set off the bomb manually.
Containment and execution via headshot was the only remaining option. Quick and final, and only one casualty.
Police will be faced with this situation again and again in the future, and I don't envy them, but there will be more "shoot first, ask questions later" events. It is inevitable. Fear and paranoia will do that to people.
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oldnslo wrote:Here is a broad description of the reasoning for head shots in disarming a suspected suicide bomber: A torso shot, which is the basic bring -down high-percentage shot for police everywhere, may in fact set off the explosive device. Additionally, a torso shot may only bring the suspect down, in which case he can manually set off the explosive device. This leaves the leg shot, generally not used because of its general inneffectiveness, which means it is hard to hit running legs. Additionally, even if a leg is hit, the bomber can still set off the bomb manually.
Containment and execution via headshot was the only remaining option. Quick and final, and only one casualty.
Police will be faced with this situation again and again in the future, and I don't envy them, but there will be more "shoot first, ask questions later" events. It is inevitable. Fear and paranoia will do that to people.
ok but i still dont get why they have him on the ground, more than one cop should be able to take control of his hands so there can be no bomb set off. they didnt use any take down shots to get him on the ground in control, he was on the ground then shot in the head.

its pointless to argue this because we will never know any of the facts or reasoning behind either side, but i dont think its wise to shoot first ask questions later. if you buy into the whole terrorism stuff then 'they' are winning. by making our cops so paranoid that they shoot innocent people creates just as much fear and mayham as a bomb blowing up on a bus. the same thing happend with 911 here, people go over board wanting to protect people they end up doing more harm to the ones they are trying to protect.
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